Whats RPS13?

[hiryu]

whats diffrent about the RPS13 compared to the other models like 240...etc...

[Prok0]

I think 'RPS13' was the japanese model S13 coupe with flip up lights instead of the projectors. Im pretty sure thats what it is... could be wrong tho =\

[BRIAN]

rps13 - japan spec nissan 180sx with sr20det.

[thagr81_us]

Yeswepromise is correct. If you are referring to the motor the RPS13 is the S13 Blacktop SR20DET and older Redtop motor.(Thanks for the correction boro)

[boro240]

no, older RPS13 had redtop as well.

chasis codes are explained fairly well here
also, you will sometimes see E-(code), im not sure what it means though. ive only seen the E on japan spec cars.

RPS13 is the 180SX...NOT a coupe. It is NOT a Silvia. It is, indeed, the car with the SR20DET (red AND blacktop).

The "K" RPS13 has HICAS

[boro240]

Originally posted by gladhatter
RPS13 is the 180SX...NOT a coupe. It is NOT a Silvia. It is, indeed, the car with the SR20DET (red AND blacktop).

The "K" RPS13 has HICAS

ALL of that was unneccesary. it was in the thread i posted.

You are right...I didn't notice the link, but I said all the same things (basically) in MUCH fewer words.

[Dotz]

basically its a 180sx, or a sileighty, but the sileighty over here have silvia tail and 180sx front lights

[drift180sx]

rps13 = a very nice car!! haha

[SilviaDriver]

Dotz. wth are u talkin about? a rps13 is a Jspec 180sx with SR20DET ONLY not a sil80. Sil80s are NOT a Real Nissan production car. it was made and sold by Kid Hearts.

R: Fastback
P: SR20DE(T)
M: KA24DE
H: KA24E
S: Chassis Code
13: Model

sil80 over here have silvia tails and 180sx front lights

wat the..dude dont give out wrong info if u dont know.

S13 coupe tails with Fastback front lights is called a "Onevia" NOT a Sil80 get it right!

[SilviaDriver]

heres something else for u guys to learn too..so u dont go around calling everything TYPE X! some info might be repeated


RS13's were made from '89-98 in JDM land.

89-90: same appearance as USDM but had amber/clear suared signals. Also had CA18DE or CA18DET

91-93: same appearance as USDM but with amber/clear rounded nose signals, and optional aero sideskirts and rear valence we did not get. Had red valve cover SR20DE and SR20DET.

94-96.5: same appearance as 91-93's but SR20DE(T) has a black valve cover to match the S14 that was introduced in 94. Top model is Type-X, I am unsure of other models other than Type-S (SR20DE)

96.5-98: New front bumper, tail lights, and wheels introduced. Optional Aero sideskirts are also different. 4 types are offered for kouki 180sx:
Type-S: no aero kit+SR20DE
Type-G: had aero kit+SR20DE
Type-R: no aero kit+SR20DET
Type-X: had aero kit+SR20DET

All 96.5-98 had option of getting new aerokit regardless of trim package

Now, some japanese terminology: zenki (89-90): means early, first model. Chuki (91-96.5): means middle, intermediate model. Kouki (96.5-98): means latest, last model.
Usage: Zenki 180sx, chuki 180sx, etc... (this is not limited to Nissans or S13s. S14's had 2 models: zenki and kouki (see definition) there was no middle model...)



_S13: chassis code for all 88'-93' JDM Silvias, 89'-98' 180sx, '89-94 240sx coupe and fastback, Aussie and European 200sx ( I don't know definite dates...).

S13: Silvia with CA18DE(T) ('88-'90)
+Trim levels
-J's N/A base model
-Q's N/A full package
-K's Turbo with full trim package as well I believe.
+Club's models had even more options

RS13: 180sx with CA18DE(T) ('89-'90 a.k.a. zenki)
+Unsure on trim

PS13: Silvia with SR20DE(T) ('91-'93)
+Trim levels
-J's N/A base model
-Q's N/A full package
-K's Turbo with full trim package
+Club's models had even more options

RPS13: 180sx with SR20D(T) ('91-'96.5 a.k.a. chuki and '9.5-'98 a.k.a. kouki)
+Chuki trim
-Type-S: SR20DE and no standard aero kit (probable)
-Type-X: SR20DET and aero lip, side skirts and rear underspoiler (also probable)
+Kouki trim
-Type-S: SR20DE with no aero kit
-Type-G: SR20DE with aero sideskirts and rear underspoiler
-Type-R: SR20DET with no aero kit
-Type-X: SR20DET with aero front lip, sideskirts, and rear underspoiler

Visual differences
Zenki/chuki 180sx have same tail lights as USDM 240sx hatchback. Zenki has "pignose" front bumper.
Kouki has updated, more modern lights and different bumper and aero sideskirts.

CA18DE(T) Silvias had non-projector headlamps, while the SR20DE(T) models had projectors with option of 2/3 projectors and 1/0 reflector fog lamp. (info from a trusted friend in japan)

RHS13: 240sx with KA24E

RMS13: 240sx with KA24DE

+Same differences (bar engine) as the JDM zenki/chuki models regarding bumpers, although ou chuki RMS13 did not come with the same aero package as JDM version's
+Also, various JDM/USDM differnces such as cdigital climate control on some kouki 180sx, brakes, brake cooling fins attachd to T/C rods, thicker JDM Sway bars, kouki 180sx seats, steering wheel (airbag), manual seatbelts, etc..


Zenki S14: '94-'96 Silvia, '95-'96 240sx

JDM: SR20DE(T)
+Trim levels
-J's N/A base model (green with gold badging)
-Q's N/A full package (black with silver badging)
-K's Turbo with full trim package (red with silver badging)

USDM: KA24DE
+Trim levels
-Base
-SE

Differences include (but are not limited to): bumper, aero additions such as: side skirts and rear pieces, orange signals on (some) JDM versions, digital climate control, and various other ones I can't think of or don't know.

Kouki S14: '97-'98 Silvia and 240sx

JDM: SR20DE(T)
+Trim levels
-J's N/A base model (green with gold badging)
-Q's N/A full package (black with silver badging)
-K's Turbo with full trim package (red with silver badging)

USDM: KA24DE
+Trim levels
-Base
-SE
-LE

Differences are similar as zenki's between JDM/USDM models, but kouki/zenki differences include: LE trim package for USDM, different headlights, hood, grille, fenders and bumpers as well as slightly diffeent tail lights. Also JDM version had a different rear wing, front and rear bumper and front/rear aero add-on's. (gasping for air)

S15: '99-'02 Silvia and Aussie 200sx.

Basically (concerning JDM-only since i can't be positive about the Oz version):

Spec-S came with SR20DE and Spec-R came with SR20DET. Both had aero packages that were options, and both were offered in 5At and 6MT, althogh the 5AT in SR20DET version has (iirc) a power decrease. Also, it was not possible to get the full aero options and SR20DET without getting the 6MT. (maybe it was just certain options, but the price sheet i have shows one version only availabe in SR20DET 6MT).
Also, the N/A SR20DE has an Autech version that is pretty sports-oriented...


Engine valve covers and appearace:

'88-'90 S13/RS13 CA18DE(T): Red valve cover and black coilpack cover.
'91-93 PS13/RPS13 SR20DE(T): Red valve cover, flat top. T25 turbo.
'94-'98 RPS13 SR20DE(T): Black valve cover, flat top. T25 turbo.
'94-'98 S14 SR20DE(T): Black valve cover, hump peaking over cylinder 3. VTC on intake and has T28 BB turbo
'99-'02 S15 SR20DE(T): Black valve cover, hump peaking over cylinder 3, TVC on both intake and exhaust, and BB T28 with inconel (light metal used to supposedly spool faster..)
+Autech S15 SR20DE has red valve cover, VTL on both cams, a stainless steel header, and no center cover (distibutor set up, not coilpacks like DET).

from Lindsay

Originally posted by SilviaDriver
Sil80s are NOT a Real Nissan production car.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that.
There are those on the internet who like to perpetuate that the Sileighty wasn't a real production car but I have seen evidense to the contrary. You could be right .....but then you could be wrong as well.

[Dotz]

yo SilviaDriver, my bad, but I'm just trying to help, but guess its not much help when its wrong, but anyone who have questions, ask SilviaDriver, he's the expert....

[Mini_me]

Even though I'm new to this forum, to the guy that said that Sil80s are not Nissan Production Cars, I beg to differ. Nissan did actually produce these, but they were limited to approximately around 400 vehicles, the reason they produced it was because they saw that the racers and drifters(at that time) could not afford to replace front end parts for the 180sx because they were so pricey and instead put Silvia front end parts on because all mounts and body lines matched and it also made the front end lighter (no moving parts). So to try and keep up with the trend going around Nissan produced these in a limited run and are extremely rare to find a real one of. Most on the road in Japan are only replicas.
Just trying to pass on what knowledge I have.

[boro240]

Originally posted by Mini_me
Just trying to pass on what knowledge I have.

you mean what knowledge you DONT have. where did you aquire this knowledge? hearsay? conjecture? no real proof eh?

the sileighty WAS a limited production car, BUT, it was not produced by nissan. they were DEALER modified cars, by Kids Heart.

http://www.kidsheart.co.jp/sil.htm

interesting note is you could order one with a Nismo LSD installed as an option. this confirms the dealer made theory, as it is clearly stated on the site (if you can read japanese). and if you want it in english, babelfish puts it as "until now, as a new model car it did not exist." and "entrusts vehicle production to the NISSAN related dealer and sells as the new model car."

theres the proof.

[esco]

Were they actual production cars,special limited production model?

here's a story:
A car that nissan built from the trend that racers with thier 180's would swap thier front ends to the cheaper and lighter silvia front end's when they often crashed it, it was a good idea and nissan wanted to be part of it er cash in on it thus the official sileighty was born. This means that the first and original ones were homemade and they were often categorized(shows and etc. .) as "homemade sileighty" the production ones were simply categorized as "sileighty". The easiest way to diffirenciate them WAS that the official production models were labled "sileighty" right on the rear center garnish while the homemade ones wore the obvious "180sx".

http://www.200sx.org/faq_1.html a brief history of the "S chassis" also has the S11 which had the nissan rotary engine
http://www.needelsischeating.net/tenshi/sileighty.html
http://www.japmobiles.com/cars/cars_detail.asp?ID=19
(for those that don't know,in a link or two they mention 200sx ,silvias were labled as 200sx in some european countries and austrailia.)

Sil80 is a controversial subject, there have been stories about it. The most popular one being the one I retold above. The sil80 was tuned differently, it had more power than normal sr20det's and the suspension was tuned to make the car much more tailhappy it also came stock with the drift wing.

Genuine sil80's were sold only in japan, today if you can find one they are usually sold at japan's auctions and are very expensive. Here is a link to scans which was from an aussie mag which had a feature about the geniuine sileighty and furthermore just talks about there "homemade sil80" project.
The blackish/purplish car is thier project car, the white car on page4 is a real sileighty that sold in osaka japan for 2.4million yen(skyline value)take note of the rear lights and go scouring on the net:P, note there is no dealer badging.
I recommend u read this whole scan:
http://www.silvia.hl.com.au/images/m...ghty_page1.jpg
http://www.silvia.hl.com.au/images/m...ghty_page2.jpg
http://www.silvia.hl.com.au/images/m...ghty_page3.jpg
http://www.silvia.hl.com.au/images/m...ghty_page4.jpg
page 4 talks about how they got ahold of an original sileighty ecu from japan. These guys were trying to produce a hardcore replica i assume

were these cars converted under only a dealer?(as mentioned above)
were they converted under a dealer following a trend from the racers?
or did nissan actually release a very limited qauntity and were dealers also doing conversions?
who knows the real truth?
I believe nissan did release a very small amount, in japan no converted 180 is worth as much as a skyline(even more now). And I believe a dealer did do converstions due to the trend or becuase you could get your old 180 and get the converstion instead of buyin a new sileighty?
all i know is that there has been hardcore proof passed around a forum or two(if only i can find it again )

some are ify about that japanese dealer ad though. I wouldn't go as far to say whats been posted in this thread is concrete proof though.

[boro240]

Originally posted by esco
some are ify about that japanese dealer ad though.

theres no confusion. do you want me to post the japanese brochure for it to (with the Kids Heart logo on it)?





what more do you want?

the whole "nissan following the racers trend" thing is just a story. im sure it WAS inspired by normal people, but its still just a story.

Originally posted by esco
page 4 talks about how they got ahold of an original sileighty ecu from japan. These guys were trying to produce a hardcore replica i assume

there are NO Nissan factory codes for any sileighty parts, just try to order from Nissan of japan. and im almost positive the ECU is the exact same as a 180SX Blacktop, as thats what it is.

[esco]

ofcourse it was a story, i've also stated that nothing i posted was concrete proof. I'd go as far to say that nothing in this thread is concrete proof. Lots of good stuff yes but not concrete proof. Like I said it's still all very controversial. who's right? I don't know. I'm just putting out info and opinions. This isn't a battle or anything, i'm not accusing anyone of flaming here just warning people before or if it even starts

[phrozen]

so what would a true sil80 be? rps13 ps13? rs13 haha its like 3am i cant seem to think, anyone wanna help me out on what it would say on the engine plate?

[phrozen]

should i delete my post? am i gonna get flamed? haah iono ive been working all day and reading that took forever... well if anyone can answer my little question thats great if i get flamed knock urself out and have fun with it! nite everyone! im going to sleep

[SilviaDriver]

Thank You Boro for backing me up that the Sil-Eighty was NOT made and SOLD by Nissan..but Kids Heart..a DEALER.

couldnt check this thread back in time..was out drnking haha

[boro240]

Originally posted by phrozen
so what would a true sil80 be? rps13 ps13? rs13 haha its like 3am i cant seem to think, anyone wanna help me out on what it would say on the engine plate?

RPS13. its still a 180SX.

[DJ_SpaRky]

This a lot of good info, and is answered some questions that I had about SilEightys and where/when/why they came about.

Thanks a lot guys/girls.

[WishIHad1]

lol im sure u guys already answered the topic question what is a RPS13....but i still a lil confused, im just gonna read that whole thing over again...... This thread was more on the sil80 then the RPS13