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Rexbo’s Guide to the s13 to s14 Front 5-Lug Conversion

Rexbo’s Guide to the s13 to s14 Front 5-Lug Conversion and Brake Swap

This write-up is for those of you that want to know how to convert your usual 4-lug s13 to the later s14’s front 5-lug hub. There are various reasons you want to do this, namely, more wheel options and brake options. There are two ways to accomplish this: first, buy the GTO or Attain front hubs and bolt them on, or buy the junkyard s14 parts and fit them on your s13. I am writing up the 2nd method, as many people want to know exactly what it takes. Well here it is.

Tools:
- Jack & Jackstands
- Hammers (be sure to have a small 5-lb hammer)
- Ball joint removal tools (you can rent these from any auto parts store)
- 14mm, 17mm, 19mm 22mm and 28mm sockets, 6-sided preferable, and deep-socket
- 10mm box wrench or brake line wrench (preferable)
- Breaker bar and regular socket wrench
- Lithium grease and WD40
- Large and small needle nose pliers.
- Impact wrench (if you have access, it makes life easier, not required)
- Cutting wheel or nibbler (required)
- Helpful assistant (girlfriends not recommended)

Hardware:
- S14 Front spindles
- S14 front lower control arms with ball joints OR just new S14 front ball joints that you can order from www.autopartswarehouse.com part #MOK9820 (you need to order two)
- 5-lug sleeves OR you can drill out your coilovers (not recommended). You can order the sleeves at www.5lugsleeves.com
- New outer steering tie rod ends (recommended, but not necessary) you can order from www.autopartswarehouse.com part #M3010-161806
- 5-lug brakes and wheels (you want this thing to roll right?)
- Steel braided brake lines (recommended, but not necessary)
- Cotter pins x4 (1/8” x 1” work fine)
- 2 more lug nuts (locking preferable)

Disassembly is the opposite of reassembly so just read backwards for that. This is from completely disassembled at the start. You need to do these steps twice remember, there are two sides to the car! Also remember to always securely have the car on jackstands. Never work under a car being only supported by a jack!



1) Begin by replacing the outer tie rod ends, as they are probably old and worn out. The boot on mine had completely torn and the actual ball joint inside was loose, no wonder my steering was clunking!

2) Take your s13 front lower control arms to a suspension shop and have them replace the ball joints with the s14 ones (OR just use the s14 complete arm), being sure to install the supplied c-clips. These require a shop press and special drift, so unless you have your own shop it is just easier to take it to someone with the right tools.



3) Install the lower control arm and tension rod assembly. If you have aftermarket tension rods, now is the time to install them as it is much harder when everything is bolted together. Lightly grease the two large bolts before sliding them through the control arm bushing and tension rod bushing and torque them to approx 50 ft-lbs torque using two 17mm sockets.



4) Reattach and install the front sway bar. If you have an aftermarket sway bar, now is the time to install it! There is one nut under the front lower control arm that clamps down on the end link bushing that requires a 14mm deep socket wrench to install. Install the two forward sway bar bushings with the same 14mm deep socket, torquing to around 40 ft-lbs.

5) Cut the dust shield off the back of the s14 front spindle, as most aftermarket brakes will hit it, and R32 GTR and Z32 brake rotors will hit it for sure. Using a cutoff wheel I found was the easiest way to do this. You will need to do this if you’re using GTO or Attain hubs as well. Or you can take the hub off by loosening the 28mm axle nut and prying the dust shield off as it has been pressed onto the spindle.
*CAUTION: AIR TOOLS AND CUTOFF WHEELS ARE DANGEROUS. WEAR SKIN AND EYE PROTECTION*



6) Spray paint primer or other sealer over the cut surfaces, you don’t want these rusting later!

7) Install the front spindles on the lower control arms by setting the spindle on top of the ball joint until firmly seated, then screw on the ball joint nut hand tight to retain it. Lightly grease the ball joint taper before installing as well, to inhibit rust. Using the 22mm socket, torque the ball joint crown nut to approx. 75 ft-lbs or until the crown slots line up with the cotter pin hole. Install and bend the cotter pins correctly as shown.





8) Install the spindle onto the coilovers. You may need an assistant to lift the spindle as the whole assembly can get heavy. Take the original s13 coilover bolts, and lightly grease the seating surface. Slide the supplied 5 lug sleeves over the bolts and grease the exterior of them as well. Line up the spindle holes with the coilover, and slide them through. Using two 17mm sockets, torque them to about 50 ft-lbs.





9) Attach the steering tie rod end to the spindle, lightly greasing the tapered surface first. Tighten down the crown bolt with a 19mm socket to about 40 ft-lbs or until the cotter pin hole lines up with the crown bolt slots. Install and bend the cotter pin correctly as shown before.



10) Install the brake rotors and calipers. Be sure that the bleed nipple on the brake caliper is on the top side! I found it was easiest to slide the rotor onto the hub first about halfway, then slide the caliper over the rotor then slide the whole assembly back. There are two 17mm bolts that secure the caliper to the spindle that should be torqued to about 50 ft-lbs.





11) Install the brake lines. Re-use the small hard line that connects the caliper to the rubber line and orient so that the tire will not rub against the line when you put the wheels on. Also be sure to leave enough slack so that the brake line will not be stretched or pinched when the wheels are at full steering lock. Torque all the flare fittings to about 12-15 ft-lbs torque using a 10mm box wrench being VERY careful not to strip any fittings. Install the line to clip to the various fittings. I re-used the original clips as they fit better.





12) Making sure to keep your master brake cylinder reservoir full, bleed the brakes as shown below with your trusty assistant. Man I love wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_bleeding

13) Bolt on your wheels. Using a deep socket 19mm wrench, install lug nuts hand tight first, then torque them tight moving in a criss-cross pattern. Lower the car onto the ground and re-torque the lug nuts to approx. 100 ft-lbs in the same criss cross pattern.



14) Go get a front end alignment. Do not skip this step as a bad alignment will negate any benefit you will be getting from bigger brakes or larger tires!

15) Properly bed your brake pads as shown below (taken from the box for Hawk HPS pads). I would suggest not coming to complete stops, as if you do the brake pads may temporarily deposit some material on the rotor, causing judder later on. For the cooldown part, just drive at average speeds without braking hard for a while. When you do stop and park, try not setting the e-brake as well.
1. After installing new brake pads, make 6 to 10 stops from approximately 30-35 mph applying moderate pressure.
2. Make an additional 2 to 3 hard stops from approximately 40 to 45 mph.
3. DO NOT DRAG BRAKES!
4. Allow 15 minutes for brake system to cool down.
5. After step 4 your new pads are ready for use.
You’re done! Have fun and drive safe!

Total Costs:
- s14 Front spindles - $220.00
- s14 Front Lower ball joints (x2) - $62.86
- 5-lug Sleeves - $28.85
- Sportlines brake line kit - $119.00
- Ball joint pressing cost - $40.00
- New s13 tie rod end links - $58.42
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Total: $529.13

Turns out the GTO hubs are looking pretty affordable right about now! In fact, I would recommend that method over this one, because finding all the parts from junkyards and such is a pain in the butt.

If you have any questions or comments feel free to contact me via Email at Steven.B.Dawson@gmail.com or on AIM at Rexbo2006, or PM me anytime on these forums. Thank you and I hope this helps!

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Very nice write up man, I was looking forward to something like this because this is the next big project for my car. Got a question though, how much is your car lowered, and is that a special floor jack for lowered cars?
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Great thread Rexbo, wheels look awesome, can't to see them in person. My new jack passed the lowered car test quite well, haha
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I wonder if these are any good? They are super cheap for F & R together. The Attain and GTO hubs go for 500 for just the fronts.

(Taken from the ER website)
http://storesense.megawebservers.com...5hubs_full.jpg

'S5' 5-Lug Front and Rear Hubs for Nissan 240sx 89-94

These 5-Lug hubs are a direct replacement for your 89-94 Nissan 240sx. This is a full set - front and rear. Unlike other 5-lug conversions, this does not need any modifications to the spindles or balljoints. Simply remove your stock hubs and replace them with these.

Specs are as follows:

Front Hub:
* OEM bearing & lightweight designed
* Standard Wheel Studs Mounted
* Stage 3 entirely designed in-house bearing
* Compatible with all kinds slotted rotors & spacers

Rear Hub:
* Nissan Factory Hub
* OEM Hub Bearing Inserted
* CNC Machined for precision and accuracy
* Standard Hub Studs Mounted
* Easy Installation - Plug & Play
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1) My car is lowered about 2 inches, but that is temporary. In the future I will be doing my own alignment/ ride height setting/ corner balancing so the ride height will most likely change to optimize performance.

2) Its LukeDogg's jack, I think he got it from autozone or something i duno. Works great though!

3) Those hubs look alright, I can't comment on the quality because I've never seen or tried them!
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personally hubs are not somethin you want to half ass or mess around with, i wouldnt buy those hubs. I have been to enough offroad races to know that you just dont fuck around with that kind of stuff, its better to go expensive and do it right than to go cheap and have a wheel fly off at 100+ overbuilt=safe and remember you always get what you pay for 99.99% of the time
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hey rexbo, did you do the 5 lug rear also? is it the same as the front if so? Also where can you find r32 or z32 brakes? Are those r32 gtr wheels?
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hey rexbo, did you do the 5 lug rear also? is it the same as the front if so? Also where can you find r32 or z32 brakes? Are those r32 gtr wheels?
I'm in the process of finishing the rear 5-lug swap (waiting on some wheel bearings to arrive), and I will do a write-up as soon as I can. It is not the same as the front, there are some tricks to it. And yes they are R32 GTR wheels.

You can find remanufactured z32 brakes at nearly any auto parts store, or just go to a junkyard if they have a 300zx. R32 brakes are a lot harder to find though. I ordered mine from New Zealand, but there are many importers that you can order them from here.
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awesome...look forward to the next installment of the writeup, sick ass wheels btw.

you have Z brakes or skyline brakes? Im a college kid on a budget split between two projects....would it be detrimental to my braking power to look in a junkyard for the z32 brakes/rotors? and do i need to swap the brake master cylinder/brake booster to power the new big brakes?
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awesome...look forward to the next installment of the writeup, sick ass wheels btw.

you have Z brakes or skyline brakes? Im a college kid on a budget split between two projects....would it be detrimental to my braking power to look in a junkyard for the z32 brakes/rotors? and do i need to swap the brake master cylinder/brake booster to power the new big brakes?
hehe you're bringing up the right questions! Technically I have r32 GTR brakes all around, but the rear brakes on the r32 are the same as on the z32. Honestly its better to just buy remanufactured calipers as you'll never worry about them going bad and you'll save money in the long run. You don't have to swap master cylinders but I recommend it as the brakes are very touchy with the s13 MC.

I am currently working on making a budget big front brake kit (13" rotors, hopefully under $500) so keep your eyes open as I will be introducing it here first.
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hey installed r32 brakes on my s13 2day and my brakes a locked up and my pedal is way mushy
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solved my problem.my front calipers bleeder was at the bottom so i tok it off fliped it up n took allll the air out and then it was fine with the pedal.my loking up is my rear bearing gone bad
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rear bearing?? were you really beating on it when you were doing the brake conversion?
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can anyone tell me if s13 hubs will fit the front s14 spindle. i bought a brand new curcuit sports hub conversion from a loal but i can't find any site that says it will fit.... i know it will fit the rear but just wondering about front... i have a base model s14..
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can anyone tell me if s13 hubs will fit the front s14 spindle. i bought a brand new curcuit sports hub conversion from a loal but i can't find any site that says it will fit.... i know it will fit the rear but just wondering about front... i have a base model s14..
No, they won't. The whole reason for the 5-lug conversion kits is because the s14 hubs are different, and will not bolt directly onto s13 spindles. If you want to make your s14 into a 5-lug, return the conversion hubs you bought, and find some 5-lug hubs from an s14 on the forums here or on ebay.
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Hi,
do the offset of the wheel changes? Or it's still the same offset
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sick thread!! I'm thinking of getting an S13 within the next year hopefully, so I'm familiarizing myself with all this stuff. I'm thinking this and a suspension overhaul is gonna be the first things that I do. What kinda coil overs you have installed? They look pretty sweet.
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I've been looking up the prices for a 5 lug conversion kit and they range from like $250 - $500. Would you recommend just changing the lugs? Or is there an advantage to changing the spindle etc.
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sick thread!! I'm thinking of getting an S13 within the next year hopefully, so I'm familiarizing myself with all this stuff. I'm thinking this and a suspension overhaul is gonna be the first things that I do. What kinda coil overs you have installed? They look pretty sweet.
thanks! I run JIC FLT-A1s with 7kg/5kg spring rates, but I will be upgrading to the JIC-RS coilovers with 10/8 spring rates I believe later this year.

Also... the only advantage I could see to changing the entire spindle/upright assembly is that you get a 10mm wider track in the front, which can allow you to fit SLIGHTLY more offset wheels on the front, nothing huge here.
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Do you personally know anything about the Tein Basic Coilovers, thought those looked pretty decent and affordable
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sorrry to bother you again Rexo, but one more question...I promise. lol. I do't know if this is quite the place to aske the question, but...would the stock S13 spindles (4 lug) take aftermarket z32 4 lug brake rotors such as these....

Circuit Sports Z32 Front Brake Rotors (26 & 30mm)

I didn't think there would be any problems there, but I'm just double checking with someone who has experience. The only thing I was thinking is that the dust shield will need to be cut and maybe I'll need bigger rims?
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I didn't think there would be any problems there, but I'm just double checking with someone who has experience. The only thing I was thinking is that the dust shield will need to be cut and maybe I'll need bigger rims?
Indeed they will, thats why they make those rotors. You will need to cut or pull off the dust shield to fit them on, and will need bigger than stock rims to clear them.

Also, the tein basics are exactly as you said: decent and affordable. They're not track coilovers at all, but they still give a decent ride on a lowered car.
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