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Old 10-17-2004, 12:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I was jacking up my car, heard cracking, then a loud pop. Seeing my car drop down a few inches scared the hell out of me. I lowered the jack and looked at the damage. How bad is it? Is it even remotely driveable if I take it easy? The body has 199,xxx miles on it. It's hard to tell in the picture but the part that is circled is creased pretty badly and sticking out. If anyone has had their frame rail repaired, aprox. how much was it? Thanks.
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this is the reason why I always use the diff or the proper jack points...

I'm so affraid that if I put it on the frame something like that would happen.
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man that sucks but damn.. my previous car.. felt like everytime i jacked from there, it would go in more and the 240 i have now... i'm always paranoid to jack there... isn't that suppoe to be the MAIN jacking point?
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bah. everyone does that. its fine. my last car had that all over. even where the fenders meet the bottom of the car. its ok, just make sure you use the differential, crossmember, or the 4 jack points on the frame next time.


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i'm new to RWD driftin, whats the crossmember look like and its ok to just jack it up by the differential? would it be safe to go under with only that?
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No it's not.

Mine's is not bent like that (has a hole in it as if it fell on a spike, or something), but as soon as I get it rolling (awaiting parts), to the frame shop it goes. Please report back when/if you get an estimate.

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I always use a 2x4 between my jack and frame.
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never use anything but the nissan specified jacking points. the frame of the 240 wasn't designed to be lifted from. there are two dimples just behind the front door jamb on the body rails that you are supposed to lift the car from. NEVER LIFT FROM THE FRAME, OR ANY OTHER PART OF THE BODY. the differential can be a dangerous lifing point as well.
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did that to my accord (not that bad though) its not a huge deal. i used to work at a full service repair facility and so i learned basically everywhere you would put the lift arms or air jacks and the such. (i used that part - except on trucks)
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never use anything but the nissan specified jacking points. the frame of the 240 wasn't designed to be lifted from. there are two dimples just behind the front door jamb on the body rails that you are supposed to lift the car from. NEVER LIFT FROM THE FRAME, OR ANY OTHER PART OF THE BODY. the differential can be a dangerous lifing point as well.
Your 2nd post in almost 2-years! You must feel strongly about this?
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the differential can be a dangerous lifing point as well.
the diff is fine to jack from. i would never do it without a floor jack though.
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i had that happen on mine too. haven't noticed anything different. i don't think it makes that much of a difference.
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Damn that sucks. If I ever have to jack the car up using a point like that I always put a block of wood between the jack/jackstand and the underbody so it will distribute the load.

I would at least go get an estimate on fixing it. Estimates are free, plus if it's not a big deal they will tell you at the body shop(theoretically).
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bang it so its flush on the sides, weld in sum supports
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just curious to what kind of jack were you using? it looks like it would have been something thin. floor jacks and jack stands are the way to go.
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my car has the same thing, last owner.

Its not much to worry about, its not your frame, its just supports. I would, and plan, on welding in some new supports like originalsin said.
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What's the worst thing to do, which I did, is punch a hole in that frame support. I'd post a pic if I can and show what I mean.
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What frame?
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i'm up to 4 now, haha. yeah, i don't post too much here.


oh, but why it's can be dangerous from the diff...the diff sits at an angle, and any time you lift from that point, not only is the car unstable because you have the entire rear end off the ground with only a center jacking point, the jack itself is unstable and wants to slide forward off the differential. you also are putting more stress on the differential bushings than were ever intended, and you can crack or tear them.

the designed jacking points on the car work very well, and are easily accessible, why not use them?

oh, and always use jackstands.
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bleh.. i have the same problem with my car.

some previous owner jackass kept jacking it there incorrectly or something.. and it's bent inwards on that jack point. its how i bought the car

it drives perfectly fine.. but i'm going to get it re-inforced some day..

it's not a big deal, just find a welder to re-inforce the bar so that it won't get any water or anything in there..

good luck

*EDIT!*

oh shit, you know what.. i just looked at the pic again. actually my JACK POINT.. the correct area you're supposed to jack it up on is a little bent.

but you actually bent the part where you're not supposed to jack up.. FUUUUCKKK..

that part's more important than the jack point bars man.. go get that area fixed.
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mann ur frame is fcked lol...its kinked..which means u cant fix it u gotta replace it. if anything u should check that whole frame were its kinked if theres any more buckles in it. dont just see it u gotta feel it and compare to the other side also
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