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Z32 brake booster

First off, I have a z32 brake booster and know its interchangable with the s13's. I also currently have the 17/16 MC. Now my question is can I use this combination with just a front z32 brake swap? I know the whole deal with the hardness and modulating with the 17/16 and the ABS brake booster and all the other combinations. I just happen to have the z32 brake booster and wanted to go ahead and install it along with the MC. I will do the rear z32 brakes soon also. Which is why I went with the 17/16. So can I temporarily drive on stock rear brakes, z32 front brakes, and z32 brake booster and MC? Is there a such thing as too big of a brake booster? Thanks peeps. Hope to hear from yall.

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That was quick. Thanks for the help. I'm going through with it then.
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the pedal will be fairly soft, and your rear brakes will lock up first, so don't wait too long on getting the z32 rears.

I have the 17/16" master brake cylinder with my R32 GTR brakes, and I'm currently lookin around for a 300zx brake booster simply because the pedal takes too much effort to push to get the wheels to lock on the track.


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I see thanks. I have to clean them and repair the e-brake and so forth. That's why I am putting on the fronts first. Again thanks for the info. Also, what do yall think about White calipers with black or red lettering? I mean I know it will get dirty real fast but I don't mind so much about that. Brembo has a silver with red letting and it looks so sexy. Just another thought. Thanks.
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I see thanks. I have to clean them and repair the e-brake and so forth. That's why I am putting on the fronts first. Again thanks for the info. Also, what do yall think about White calipers with black or red lettering? I mean I know it will get dirty real fast but I don't mind so much about that. Brembo has a silver with red letting and it looks so sexy. Just another thought. Thanks.
its your car, you can do what you like! They will get pretty dirty fairly fast though


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Ive got the z brakes on the front and stock 240sx brakes in the rear. I know the rears dont see nearly as much abuse as the fronts so why is it better to have the rear z brakes also?


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Ive got the z brakes on the front and stock 240sx brakes in the rear. I know the rears dont see nearly as much abuse as the fronts so why is it better to have the rear z brakes also?
front/rear brake proportioning

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I was thinking about this today, but i still didn't understand why having z32 fornt and stock rear with 17/16 bmc w/ z32 brake booster would lock rear first. Could it be that with the bigger bmc the fluid creates more pressure on the brakes and bring that the rears are single pistons, so have a tendency to lock up first. IDK, thanks for replying.
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I was thinking about this today, but i still didn't understand why having z32 fornt and stock rear with 17/16 bmc w/ z32 brake booster would lock rear first. Could it be that with the bigger bmc the fluid creates more pressure on the brakes and bring that the rears are single pistons, so have a tendency to lock up first. IDK, thanks for replying.
The MBC is larger, so it moves more fluid. The front brakes have more piston area so it takes more fluid to squeeze the pad a certain distance. The stock rear brakes have much less piston area, so a larger volume of fluid that is being pushed by the larger MBC means that the rear brakes will be squeezed harder than they would if they were the dual-piston 300zx ones, shifting brake proportioning to the rear.


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good info. That was the more definate answer that i was looking for. Guess that some rear z32 brakes and booster are on my to buy list now


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I figured it to be like that, thanks for confirming it. But rexbo, you mentioned something about having the ability to lock the brakes up at the track, I thought it was ideal to be near but not locking it? Please explain. Thanks again, keep the replies coming. Latez.
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I figured it to be like that, thanks for confirming it. But rexbo, you mentioned something about having the ability to lock the brakes up at the track, I thought it was ideal to be near but not locking it? Please explain. Thanks again, keep the replies coming. Latez.
You get maximum braking right at the threshold before locking the wheels, but this doesn't mean that you don't want the ability to lock a wheel.

Example 1: Late braking into a corner, often the inside front wheel will lock up, but the outside front wheel will still be braking hard. This is acceptable because the outside wheel is the most loaded wheel so therefore it will be doing most of the braking anyways.

Example 2: Braking stability. Optimally, you want your front brakes to lock up the wheels first rather than the rears, because that will cause brake-induced understeer. Think of if instead of all wheel brakes, the brake pedal just acted like the e-brake, and only worked on the rear wheels. It would mean that every turn and every time you were braking, you'd go full-drift status. However cool that may sound, its not the fastest way around the track, and definitely not the safest. If you blow a turn, and brake too late, you want the car to go straight instead of sliding sideways, and front brake bias does that.

Example 3: Braking power. If you somehow managed to design a brake system that would only barely be able to lock up the wheels when cold, there's no way you'd be able to maximize braking when tires are hot and gummy, or when your pads and rotors are warm and grippy. Brakes have to be able to lock the wheels regardless of pad bite, tire stickyness, and they have to be able to do it repeatedly without fade.

The compromise between locking the wheels and sliding, and achieving maximum braking grip is ABS. It senses when there's a speed differential between wheels, and releases pressure on the wheel that has stopped rotating slightly until it begins to rotate. It will then pulsate brake pressure to keep it spinning but at the same time stopping. This is a good thing on low-grip surfaces, but if you're in situation #1 above, it can mean that you're losing overall predictability of the car. Anyways, rant over, I got an essay to write.


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Would the brake booster be interchangeable with the S14's also or just the 13's?


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The "official" brake swap thread says that it won't lock up the rear brakes first if you only swap the front calipers. However, after doing this swap, including the BM-57 master cylinder upgrade, I notice that my pedal feels soggy until I press down about 80%. At this point braking feels very soft and not very responsive.

Any ideas? I'm trying to figure out if I have a bad master cylinder or if perhaps I need to upgrade the rear pistons as well?

Here is a thought... Will the S14 front calipers work on the back as an "upgrade" if you've put the 4 piston 300zx calipers on the front? -- Forgive me if this is a dumb question. Just thought of it... =)

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i have 30mm Z32 setup up front and stock brakes in the rear. also using a z32 master cylinder. pedal feels superb and it stops on a dime. never had the rears lock up.


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Sounds like you need to bleed the brakes
Are your calipers upside down with the bleeder on the bottom? That wont allow your brakes to bleed even though you may think so. Go take a look

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Calipers are installed with Bleeders on top, so that doesn't seem to be the case. I can try bleeding the brakes again, but the garage seems to think that the master cylinder might not be generating enough pressure. I hope the one I have isn't broken.

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I'm having issues installing a z32 brake booster. The input shaft stick out significantly longer than the s13 booster. It tried adjusting it but it still looking like it's not lining up to pin it to the brake pedal. The booster is also not sitting flush with the firewall as it is being obstructed by the input shaft. Wonder if this is a common issue or if anyone has dealt with this type of issue before. Thanks
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Originally Posted by BigOh8524 View Post
I'm having issues installing a z32 brake booster. The input shaft stick out significantly longer than the s13 booster. It tried adjusting it but it still looking like it's not lining up to pin it to the brake pedal. The booster is also not sitting flush with the firewall as it is being obstructed by the input shaft. Wonder if this is a common issue or if anyone has dealt with this type of issue before. Thanks
Have you verified any markings that signify its a Z32 Booster?


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