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#61 ·
Shaggy's 240 said:
lawl dont think it will outrun a ka-t setup buddy, for 10k i could build ivans ka-t motor and thats putting down around 800whp and its lighter than 2jzgte and 240 will handle better still with that motor for bang for the buck there is no doubt no arguments that ka-t setup always wins anyone who says otherwise is not very good with math.

Although i would rather have the 2jzgte dont get me wrong i love all motors even the lsx but i still wouldnt put an lsx in my 240 to many cons to that swap imo.
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#63 ·
I think this is where the confusion about the LSx being lighter than the KA came from: Hinson Super Cars' FAQ page:


How much will the car weigh?

We have not weighed the converted S13 in stock form yet. However, the specs should be very close to the S14 information listed below.

The aluminum GM LS1 and LS6 engines are extremely light power plants. With the complete removal of the KA engine and transmission, the project car's final weight is less than the total gross vehicle weight of a stock Nissan 240SX. The LS1 T56 combo is 128 pounds lighter than the KA four cylinder it replaces.

The final weight of the car is listed below. The car weighed 2,742lbs with a full interior and atleast a 1/4 tank of gas. This results in a F/R ratio of 56%/44%.
 
#64 ·
Misinformation is a pet peeve of mine, so to end the ridiculousness of this thread, even though it may be a month old, I will post first-hand facts of a weight test I did with 3 other S14s (all with manual KAs).

Mike (DrftKing III)...2740 (~4 gallons) (N/A KA)
Dan (DangerDan)....2750 (~9 gallons) (N/A KA)
Justin (slos14)........2770 (~12 gallons) (N/A KA)
Chris (LS14)...........2830 (~12 gallons of gas) (N/A LS1)

I was the heaviest, but I also have full leather interior, all options, and a working moonroof. I also had as much or more gas than all the other cars there in addition to 17" wheels that were not only larger in diameter, but in width as well (which means more tire). In the end, I have to say that the KA and LS1 are very, very similar in weight and by adding a turbo kit, the scales actually tip in favor of the LS1 being lighter, but not by much.
 
Discussion starter · #65 ·
yes, the LS1 is not a super rediculously heavy motor, but I created this thread to end the whole "the LS1 is super light compared to the KA"

the fact is the motor(the transmissions were not an included part in this argument due to the many choices available) is 100+lbs heavier than the KA/VG/VQ and even more compared to the CA/SR.

this thread was created to get rid of the myth of the magically light motor. although your(cnichols) combination has yeilded a car that does not suffer a heaftier gross weight, this thread was specifically about the motors themselves. but thanks for the input.
 
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#66 ·
And no matter what, you'd get raped by Miatas at autoX....hahaha

Although the idea of a track S13 w/ Ls1 and some bolt ons does bring up the idea of a Z06 killer......
 
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#67 ·
Does it really matter if it isn't a magically light MOTOR, if the COMPLETE SWAP'S gross weight IS magically light? According to cnichol's numbers a 60lbs gain for an increase of 3.3l of displacement, an additional gear in the transmission, 4 more cylinders, around double the stock HP (depending on which LSx), massive right-now torque, and a cheap broad aftermarket for sick power, sounds damn near magical to me.
 
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Discussion starter · #69 ·
der der der... like I said, this is about the motor itself. its 100+lbs heavier period...

and do some more thinking... when you swap in the LSx motor, you usually get rid of all the emmission crap and half the stuff in the enginebay, and the driveshaft is lighter. so yes, the final product is not disasterously heavy and I'm not attacking the LSx.

this whole thread was created to shut up the hundreds of misinformed people that preacehd the LS1 was lighter than an SR...

BTW>>> THE KA IN THE VIDEO WAS AUTOTRAGIC WHICH EASILY ADDS NEAR 100LBS OVER A MANUAL!!!
 
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#70 ·
I wasn't really directing my post at you, just some of the idiotic posts I read.

I would love to see a picture of each motor with full accessories only (no emissions for either) on a scale. I have a hard time believing it's 100 lbs. heavier engine vs. engine. But, I've been known to be wrong...from time to time.
 
#72 ·
Comparing motor vs motor makes no sense out of the context of a complete swap. For example if you have a motor that's 200lbs lighter than the stock one but putting the thing in the car adds 400lbs net who cares if the motor is lighter. People calling an LSx lighter than a KA are likely referencing the final product.

The only exception to this I could see is if you are racing with an LSx in your hatch and buddy has a KA in the back of his. Then it's relevant.
 
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RBdreamer said:
Comparing motor vs motor makes no sense out of the context of a complete swap. For example if you have a motor that's 200lbs lighter than the stock one but putting the thing in the car adds 400lbs net who cares if the motor is lighter. People calling an LSx lighter than a KA are likely referencing the final product.

The only exception to this I could see is if you are racing with an LSx in your hatch and buddy has a KA in the back of his. Then it's relevant.
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like I said... this was in reference to threads where posters argued that the LS1 was lighter than the SR and even CA... not the finished product :smacked49
 
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#75 ·
Okay, if you need to find a fault with the LSx THAT bad, I'll concede.

Woo hoo, the LSx is heavier than the KA!!! Hooray! Even when you put it in the car and the car weighs LESS (according to Hinson), still feel the shame that the MOTOR IS HEAVIER. WTF, dude? The only reason someone should come up with that comparison is to salvage a shred of pride after being already proven wrong calling the LSx swap heavier.

Dude X: "LSx swaps are HEAVY! KA for life!"
Hinson: "Actually no. They're lighter. And here's proof."
Dude X (now sulking): "Well the MOTOR'S heavier!"
Other Dude Listening: "What a stupid statement... Whiney bitch."
 
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Discussion starter · #76 ·
aw rbdreamer... are you getting mad? this thread was created about the motors and the motors alone. I did not say one thing about the LSx swap being a bad swap in this whole thread, its actually easy power. as for the weight, yeah it pushes the balance more forward, but most engine swaps for the 240s do(save the SR and CA). I've never used the weight of the LSx to say its a bad swap, try reading and comprehending the thread next time. By logic even if the LS1 is aluminum it should weigh more than a 4cyl. This thread was a direct response to conversations I've had on this site and others where members were argueing over the weight of the ENGINE.

and like I stated before in the video hinson made on youtube they were weighing an automatic KA24, which easily adds 100lbs or more.

and you can argue all you want over the entire motor swap weight in another thread, this one is not about that.(if I was concerned about that I'd just tube frame my car and drop several hundred lbs...)
 
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240SXAddict said:
aw rbdreamer... are you getting mad? this thread was created about the motors and the motors alone. I did not say one thing about the LSx swap being a bad swap in this whole thread, its actually easy power. as for the weight, yeah it pushes the balance more forward, but most engine swaps for the 240s do(save the SR and CA). I've never used the weight of the LSx to say its a bad swap, try reading and comprehending the thread next time. By logic even if the LS1 is aluminum it should weigh more than a 4cyl. This thread was a direct response to conversations I've had on this site and others where members were argueing over the weight of the ENGINE.

and like I stated before in the video hinson made on youtube they were weighing an automatic KA24, which easily adds 100lbs or more.

and you can argue all you want over the entire motor swap weight in another thread, this one is not about that.(if I was concerned about that I'd just tube frame my car and drop several hundred lbs...)
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Fine. I concede. :1bowdown Just imagine I posted in the thread where morons were debating bare engine weights. About how irrelevant that is.

As for the automatic transmission. Maybe you could make a thread about transmission weights. KA24 Automatics are Heavy! Or something...
 
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Discussion starter · #79 ·
RBdreamer said:
Fine. I concede. :1bowdown Just imagine I posted in the thread where morons were debating bare engine weights. About how irrelevant that is.

As for the automatic transmission. Maybe you could make a thread about transmission weights. KA24 Automatics are Heavy! Or something...
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nah, because noone is preaching that they are magically lighter than air :thumbsup
 
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#80 ·
Good grief.
RBdreamer, go back to dreaming about RBs. Geez. What is it with these kids?
Do you lack reading comprehension so bad that you must throw your own crap into a fact and numbers based thread? Or is it just that you feel you can throw a useless response in b/c its the internet and you don't have anyone to look in the eyes when you pollute the conversation?

Sorry, but the guys who have been (maturely) debating in this thread are all intelligent car guys (minus Dave...hahaha j/k), not bandwagon boys who want to preach about how useless V8s are.....
 
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