These fucking suck! I got them and isntalled them recently. I'm now 100% set on how badly these suck after seeing a black base kouki on the way home from work in a parking lot. The spot next to it was empty, so i was like "damn, this is fuckin perfect time for comparison". So I did a u-turn and drove back and pulled in and parked next to it. I got out and they were both the same height almost. My car was less than half an inch lower. Unless you look REALLY clsoe (and I mean REALLY close), you cant tell the difference. My buddy Peter, as well as my gf, and a few other people, cant even tell its lowered. Peter told me (alot of local nico members know him, hes got s14 zenki with sr20 swap, using tanabe springs, which are awesome) he couldnt tell the difference either. When driving the car, it doesnt feel lowered at all. The springs arent even stiff. I installed KYB AGX shocks with them and my car doesnt handle any better. I like the shocks but theyre no good with such shitty springs. The springs are also nowhere near as stiff as sportlines, not even close. My buddy John has sportlines on his car, which is black kouki just like mine. I've ridden in his car and it feels nice and stiff, and super lower. My car feels completely stock unless I put the shocks on a super stiff setting, and then the car just bounces. I'm seriously displeased with these springs, theyre no better than stock. My buddy Jeff helped me insall them, when I was inside getting a drink, he was pulling apart the front stock assembly on the passenger side. He told me (After htey were installed and i was like "wtf? it feels no different!) he put them both next to eachother and there was barely any difference, and when he stepped on them with his weight, they both compressed abnout the same. Which is really sad since the Teins are fresh and my stock springs have 65k of abuse on them. I'm convinced these springs fucking suck to the extreme. I'll go by the parking lot that I saw the kouki in when I borrow my friends camera, since it was an apartment complex lot. If hte car is there, I'm gettign pics of my car next to it. To prove to everyone how badly these springs suck ass. If the car isnt there, I'll go by Enjuku and get pics of my car next to Kens. His car is an SE, but since its riding on stock susp, it should be a good comparison still. I hate to see how bad they are after they break in and get even softer. I made this post to warn everyone, since I dont want anyone else going through all the trouble i did, just to get majorly dissapointed. As of current, I spent 540 on the springs and kybs before tax (got it from Enjuku, who rocks majorly) and feel like a made the biggest mistake ever. Damn me for wanting to save 30 bucks by not going with the sportlines. DAMN IT!