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Powersliding is entering the turn with grip on all 4, right after you exit the apex hard turn w/some gas, and the car will loose the back end and slide through whats left. If you pre-apex you can end up off road, or with control, a cool looking turn.
Its been raining for a week here in austin and ive been playing lately. I drive this STOCK s10. It was my first car ever, and it has the worst rain traction out of every car ive driven. So since I was 15(now 18) ive been powersliding intersections/turns/whatever just driving. Over time you learn grip and its relation to countersteer.
Thank you whoever posted the "trunk slap" term, ive wondered that. Another way to initiate it would be braking and shifting the weight onto the front tires durring countersteer in a understeer situation.
Find a freight place, somthing with alot of loading bays at 2:00 am
What Ive been toying with lately is a set of turns in a lot by me. Theres a long straight into a slightly wide left into a bending right and back out. Lots of fun going both ways in and out.
HERE IS WHAT I DO:
From the straight i head to the outside of the first turn.Downshift, brake and Turn in prior to the entrance. (What this does is push alot of power to the rear wheels and as a slight counter, shifts my weight onto my front tires giving me control and lets my front tires follow the line.) as the back end of the truck(bc trucks are pimp drifters) starts to correct itself, I (at half throttle) kick the clutch in(breaking power from the tires) and let it back out. Witch in turn breaks the back tires loose, keeping my front tires through the turn and letting my back in fly through the apex of the turn.
As the turn ends I need to get ready for the right hand turn so i dont nail a curb.
I could let of throttle and apply brakes softly and take in nice But screw that, I want to keep going. Because my truck understeers like god knows what, its a pain in the ass to get it to go together BC the front tires like to break out. So at the exit of the turn, I sharp angle the oposit direction(now going right) let off the throttle and apply the brakes, causing my front tires to grab like a MOFO("slap" term mentioned above) and wips the rear center, apply throttle and clutch kick the rear out like before. and it continues the drift.

I dont know how many times Ive spun out in either turn. But practice is what makes it. Dont fear spinning out. If your alone, its alot better then flying off into somthing. Practice donuts in the vacant lot(freight place) and do some 180s. My truck doesnt have a handbrake so i have to learn other ways.
 
My drifting experience has been limited to two events. Drift Day 8 and 10. I'm still very new, but I thought I'd share some of the things I've learned during the two track days.

Drift Day 8 – Irwindale Speedway
'93 240sx hatch
KYB AGX Shocks (set at mid settings front/rear)
Tanabe Springs (spring rate somewhat low)
Ebay Strut Bars
195/60/15 Yokohama ES100 (front)
195/60/15 Crappy Tires (rear)
Open Diff

Early Morning Sessions -
This is where I learned the definition of understeer. I start off on the smaller course. First run through, I'm acclerating hard coming to the first cone (a left hander). I come to the turn in point, I don’t let off the gas and turn hard left (trying to power over). The tires start squealing, I’m in 2nd gear, but the car is not rotating. In fact, the car is not turning at all. Steering wheel’s turned, but the car is not turning. SOUNDS like everyone else’s drifting (tires squealing), but doesn’t look like everyone else’s. I was understeering. My front tires were loosing grip and being pushed by the rear. Remedy? Come off the f*ckin gas moron!

Repeat this a few more runs while talking and riding with the instructors.

Late Morning Sessions –
This is where I learned how to ass drag and spin out. Still on the small course and J-turn. Come to the first cone. As per the instructors, I come off the gas at the turn in, clutch in, yank the ebrake up… hey look at that, the back is coming around. I put the ebrake down, come in with gas and countersteer. Well when I put the ebrake down I kept my hand on it, so I was trying to countersteer with one hand (not countersteering fast enough), and I also put in A LOT of throttle. Spin to a stop.

Repeat this a few more runs while talking and riding with the instructors.

Afternoon Sessions –
This is where I learned that drifting is f*cking hard, that those who can do it are incredibly skilled and that I’m no Yoshinori Kogouchi. For the rest of the day I’m either spinning out like before, or countersteering too much with too little gas and snapping back to spin out the other way. By the end of the day, some 6-7 hours of track time later, I’m exhausted and had an awsome time.


Drift Day 10 – California Speedway
Same car as before plus:
Kaaz 16 clutch 2-way LSD
Spin Knob

This is where I learned that ass dragging is not drifting, drifting is drifting. Most of the day was like the afternoon sessions of DD8. But on the skidpad I was able to catch the rear end coming around a few times and hold the drift. I can’t describe how awesome that feeling was. I was totally in control of this thing as it circled the skidpad cone. I was countersteering and when I “felt” the car start to recover I’d turn in, when I “felt” the car coming around too much I’d put in more counter, I was playing with the throttle seeing how it responds with more/less. Drifting is not just getting the ass to come around, it’s getting it stop coming around and hold it where you want it.

Anyway, I couldn’t “catch” the ass when I had a running start at the skidpad, only when I was circling it slowly. I’d slowly circle the cone, and put the clutch in. I’d rev it up to about 4k, dump the clutch and gas it. Immediately I’d countersteer and come to about ½ throttle. If I countered too late or not enough I’d spin out. If I let off too much on the gas or countered too much I’d recover and snap the other way. If I found the balance between the two, I’d be drifting…

Had a blast, again.

Drift Day 12 – Irwindale Speedway (hey that’s tommorrow)
Same car as before except 205/55/15 Yoko ES100 up front and a good alignment.
 
KouKi?! said:
he's not laughing at you because you are afraid of death but for another reason.
haha i laff at him cuz he's afraid of death also plus the other thing i'm laffin bout streetdrifterx you will find out once u get a lil older ;)
 
hmm I haven't been to these boards for a while, mostly because I joined when I was planning on buying a 240sx, but now I own a Fc (my second Fc).

I drift quite frequently 3-4 times a week or 6 hours(practice). Things you should know:

- You will crash eventually, so don't bother if your not ready for that. I've crashed a lot, I've blown a engine. I have a whole new drivetrain in this FC.

- Its easier to start a drift with stock suspension because your car has a lot of body roll, controlling it is another issue. I have coilovers with tk gas shocks, with camber kit, but before that I was practicing on good ole stockies.

- FC/FD is a horrible car to learn how to drift w/ before anyone asks.

- Methods that use weight shifts are excellent for higher speed corners(i.e. trail braking, lifting off the throttle), while lower speed corners you usually won't have enough momentum to get the angle you want with a weight shift. So none weight shift methods should be used i.e. ebraking, clutch kick, shift locking. Both can be used at higher speeds, but at lower speeds weight shifting is a lot more work to try to pull off if your car has little to no body roll.

- Play with your car a lot, you learn a lot inside a parking lot when your bored. Practice donuts, countersteering while doing donuts etc.

- Practicing in the rain will give you results with little input, but in order to actually get better your going to have to learn how to do it on the dry as well. Because, well its a lot easier to get a car sideways wet as opposed to dry. Get your technique down in the wet, but get a lot of experience with it in the dry. Example at a canyon turn I can trail brake into a drift at 45-60 that would be my target mph on a slightly wider 90 degree, but in the rain I wouldn't go so fast.

- Remember that the sidebrake doesn't only start a drift, it can add more angle to it, and keep one going longer if used right.

- When you drift, and the method you use will determine when you should start your drift. For example when you use braking drift and accel off drift your drift will start later then say a drift that doesn't require you to use such strange weight shifts. Just make sure the steps are the same aim for the apex, aim for a exit and counter steer as soon as you feel the car slip. How much you counter steer will determine how sideways you get, and how long it will take you to straighten back up. As long as throttle control!

For me in my FC I have to do everything early because FC just like their brothers FD are very snappy in nature, and love to oversteer. BTW don't bother mentioning Haruguchi, or the Apex FD you have no idea how unlike FCs and FDs in handling they turned those cars into. Like a 1000 spot weldings, spindle mods etc.

I envy you 240sx guys, honestly try drifting a FC/FD or mr2 you'll learn a lot about how good of a car 240sx is for this kind of thing.
 
D1GP said:
^^i herd the fc sucks at low rpms
The FC has absolutely no torque to speak of. The stock ka24de is a very torque driven motor, hence why you guys can do a lot of crap I can't do at lower speeds w/o me trying like hell to pull it off.

The suspension geometry makes the FC a great car for grip driving, but horrible for keeping it sideways. Of course the stock toe adjusting bushings don't help either.

Basically I have to drive faster then a 240, and try harder then in a 240 to come close to what a 240 can do. There is no comparison between the 2, 240sx is a superior drift car.
 
Rued said:
Basically I have to drive faster then a 240, and try harder then in a 240 to come close to what a 240 can do. There is no comparison between the 2, 240sx is a superior drift car.
but you see ryosuke in initial d! he's soo fawking good lol... jp
well i always thought that 50/50 would be decent for drifting, anyways i still love the fc, beautiful sports car that no one seems to give a shit about. hah i try to drift in a truck, so yea make w/ what you got.
 
D1GP said:
but you see ryosuke in initial d! he's soo fawking good lol... jp
well i always thought that 50/50 would be decent for drifting, anyways i still love the fc, beautiful sports car that no one seems to give a shit about. hah i try to drift in a truck, so yea make w/ what you got.
haha, good one. I know a lot of people see my car and are like wow its Ryosuke. Anyways, it makes for great gripping but that 50/50 makes it so either end feels like coming out. Its pretty unpredictable if you mess up even slightly. And I've clipped quite a few hills, slide into hills, slide into a lot of things because of it. Spinning out is what FCs do.
 
search on kazaa or buy it from the internet. or if their is a prominent tune shop where you live you can try your luck there. or go to any drift event, there are usually kiosks and booths there with ppl selling merchandaise such as db and grip vids
 
well im kinda new still becuase i dont get much seat time anymore but i started powersliding and drifting and such in my friend OLD OLD OLD sterling automotive luxuri car. it had a rwd honda motor in it and wasnt half bad at weght shifting. only problem was it was heavy as hell and hard to get it to whip around... i learned but going to a school with no idea what drifting was at the time and figuring a way to get around this figure 8 set of light poles. i at first started going slow and my friend was happy becuase i was being safe....eventually got fed up with going ass slow and wanted to show off what i could do. i just cpt going faster and faster and eventually i felt the cars rear tires starting to loose grip and at first i freaked out becuase i knew nothing of drifting and barely even heard of it... eventually it was just natural for me to grab the ole ebrake when that happend and flip a bitch....usualy it would end up in me coming to an almot complete stop but on the other side of the pole... practace practace practace and a few weeks/ months later i was able to do a moderatly quick figure 8 around these 2 poles. freaked the hell out of my friend becuase i almost crashed HIS car about 20 times but its what it took for me to learn...now im trying to get him to let me drift his mr2 witch i know im not realy ready for but it would be FUN AS HE!!....only thing i can say is watch drift bible take some of the stuff into mind then go to a parking lot thats empty... dont try the light pole thing if you dont have money to back up damage you might cuase. i would just try and turn in a big circle as hard as you can tell you start to get the feel for when your going to spin out. then learn how to ebrake at the right time to make that spin into a turn...take it from there.
 
Get goin bout 80mph then just yank the wheel one way or the other and hope you break traction and make the back tires spin and dont do doughnuts cause the judges just think you mess up when you do doughnuts. thats the simple explanation how to drift.
 
m-driftr7 said:
Get goin bout 80mph then just yank the wheel one way or the other and hope you break traction and make the back tires spin and dont do doughnuts cause the judges just think you mess up when you do doughnuts. thats the simple explanation how to drift.
When you start parting out your car let me know.
 
m-driftr7 said:
Get goin bout 80mph then just yank the wheel one way or the other and hope you break traction and make the back tires spin and dont do doughnuts cause the judges just think you mess up when you do doughnuts. thats the simple explanation how to drift.
ahahahaha :rotflmao omfg i hope your not serious
 
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