Im looking at getting a 240 in about a month and it's going to be built up to hopefully run at least low 10's. Now I was curious, I see alot of people with the turbo engines in their cars but not that many with the v8's? Is there any reason that more people aren't doing "this" swap instead of the turbo? From my understanding just the swap alone will put you a low 12 with stock tires. Now you get some sticky tires and your in the 11's. I don't know how much the turbo swap is but im guessing it should come out kinda close. Just curious? Thanks, Trey
V8 conversion????
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I never said they were - in fact i said they were in common use by japanese and european engine designers over a decade ago, as was variable cam timing and a whole bunch of other stuff that adds power.
If you want to talk about "new era" v8's dont use the pushrod LS1 as an example cos its just a big, cheap, reliable, proven, fuel hungry, good power donk
The steam engine wasnt "broke" but you dont see many cars with steam engines these days
I just read in one of the turbo mags...they say its fairly simple to put the the (vq35de?) the motor from the 350z in a 240. Sounds hot...its all in theory and I believe they just started the project in the mag. I dont remember which mag it was ... but I only got it a couple days ago...so it should be a recent edition.
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The magazine your talking about is the September 2006 Sport Compact Car magazine. They say its pretty easy but once your start reading into the write up on how to do it, it sounds pretty hard, it takes a fair amount of fabrication. The electrical seems confusing as hell, seeing as how the VQ35 uses a closed area network bus and a drive-by-wire throttle nothing will work without a stand alone and even with that your gauges still wont work, and not to forget the returnless fuel system. Seems to complicated, lot of splicing wires and wiring in new sensors and fabrication. Would be an awesome swap but not something I would want to tackle.
engineswaptech.com has the info on the VQ swap.
you owuld have to do almost all of the same style upgrades and modifications as you would for a v8. in fact im sure you cna get a used ls1/t56 combo cheaper and a vq35de. you still need to upgrade fuel delivery and cooling systmes, custom motor and transmission mounts and wiring harness. the thign thatm akes the ls1 easier is that hinson sells EVERYTHING premade for v8 swaps. even custom wiring harnesses,crossmembers,fuel and cooling systems. and PCM tuning. Unless you have shit tons of money to spend though stick with a turboKA,sr or RB20 or 25.
rb26,vg,vq,and V8 swaps are gonna be hella expensive.
I also strongly doubt someone that has never had much indepth mechanical experience will succeed in one of these swaps.
A sr20 or rb swap can be a big enough pain in the ass.
HP/Liter? Direct your attention here: http://www.turbov6camaro.com/home.htm
Even the asthmatic little brother to the LS1 can be made into something decent with a moderate amount of tuning (is anyone going to complain about 120 HP/Liter?). Not everyone maxes out their engines to be the super number one best in the country, so we're not going to take max hp/max tq into account. It's really all about what the owner does (and wants to do) with the engine.
:1bowdown Aftermarket.
Comparing the swaps, keep in mind you're comparing the modification response of stock turbo engines vs. the NA LS1 (and other NA v8 engines). Turbo the v8 blocks and I guarantee you'll be happy with the HP/Liter ratio. :dancingna
EDIT: I appreciate both domestics and imports, it's all about technology. Nothing but love. :thumbsup
some people care about going fast, some people care about hp/liter. who the hell jacks off to hp/liter? cause thats all you can do with it. it doesn't make you faster and it doesn't make you more reliable.
putting a V8 in this car is about as easy as a V8 swap into a car that didn't have that motor can get. everything you need is from hinsonsupercars.
doing this would be no more difficult than the newbie that i see ALL THE FREAKING TIME on a forum whinign about how his SR doesn't magicaly fall into his engine bay like a stupid ***. don't know how to work on cars? don't fuggin try it. yeah it'll be a little harder than putting a crap SR in but the LS1 is superior to every motor that ever came in the S chassis or skyline. the end.
you WILL NOT get a better bang for the buck than a pushrod V8.
KUDOS to you sir. ls1 is a superior motor in everyway imagineable to any nissan motor. Its lighter than any 4cyl nissan motor, can mke 400whp with just boltons and a cam and tuning, its just as reliable mechanically as any other motor available. The LSx series gen4 small block chevys are among hte most well engineered motors on the planet today. An s14 with a STOCK ls1 can run 11s Imagine a ls6 or a ls1 with boltons. it wouldnt tkae squat to put a ls1 swapped 240 in the 10s and retain all its wonderful handling characteristics.
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Sorry , I am an idiot. What was I thinking? I will try not to have anymore opinions.
I think you missed out on some hugs when you were younger.
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angel and evrae205... do us a favor and explain exactly why LS1's are so superior. I'm not trying to say they aren't, I'm not biased against any of them, but statements without backing are just opinions.
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And whatever you do, don't have any of those!
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Check this out. I will shut up now.
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=926084&postcount=21
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nothing wrong with opinions when you want someones feelings about an issue. But in a technical discussion they hold no place of relevancy, except a last minute tactic when trying to evade the burn of being owned when it comes to technical superiority of one motor compared to another.
ok maybe that was an oversatement. but in my person opinion which i guess it what matters to each of us. The ls1 is lighter,produces more power and I can get a running ls1 motor and trans for less than most nissan motors for the s chasis with similar mileage. So for my personal application it makes it a superior motor.
Dont get me wrong. I love my nissan motors. Id love to have an RB also but For me it would be cheaper to build the ls1 s14 than say a RB25det s14 since I can get parts for that swap at lower prices than the average person.
but hell whats it matter, With enough money you can make anything fast. theres a guy in AL with a turbocharged GEO metro running high 13s. still has the 3cylinder it came with. It just depends on how deep your wallet is.
I 've messed ford,honda,nissan and GM motors and they all have things I like and things I dislike. I love the way a ford sounds, love the reliability of a honda motor, love how easy it is to work on a nissan motor, but especially love how easy it is to make power with my ls1.
everytihng is just what people prefer. Some people dont like american motors, some hate FWD, some hate RWD some hate imports Everyone has there tastes. but i guess this whole thread has become off topic.
If you wanna be fast all it takes is $ doenst matter what powerplant it is, powers not cheap.
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