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500whp On RB25DET

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#1 ·
What is the easiest most reliable way of getting 500whp out of the RB25DET and with what parts? Ive done my research and was thinking of getting 650... but now realized that i will settle for 500... (650 is kind of scary).. please dont flame because ive tried looking for info on this..

note* i already have a power fc and a gt35r (which i can refund within 30 days) trying to see the best route to go..
 
#2 ·
well the 35r will surley do it. cams will help, at least 720 cc injectors, greddy intake, q45 TB, nice fmic, 3.5 inch exhaust, you can crank 500 on a stock block with an excellent tune it should hold up for a while.. if its not tuned properly it will not last very long.. so if your worried about that, forged pistons and possibly rods should be in your aggenda was well. search a little theres a lot more info out there.. check out skylinesaustrailia.com, they know whats up.
 
#3 ·
i was told the gt30 would have been a much better choice because it wont lag like the gt35...

also i want it to have 500whp on high boost so while im daily driving it i will have it on around 10psi... i want it to be reliable enough to drive back and forth from school, work, and back to the house....

please no flaming.. i have around 13,000 to spend and im not wasting anyones time with this thread.. i checked out skylinesaustralia.com but couldnt get anywhere with that because i couldnt even register (wont let you use hotmail, yahoo, etc)..
 
#4 ·
well even though this has been asked a million times...

engine management
powerfc
microtech
etc

arp studs
good head gasket
rods
pistons
cams
injectors
greddy intake
q45 throttle body
a good maf z32 or something like that
gt30r or gt35r
perhaps a nice tial wastegate
peak performance exhaustmanifold
exhaust
downpipe
since you have money n1 oil pump
tomei timing belt
nice intercooler
exedy hyper clutch
and like everyone else says a good tune

im sure im leaving out stuff but you get the point
 
#6 ·
you dont need to resister at skylinesaustrailia, you can view pages w/o it, they have an entire list of rb25 dyno results thats pages and pages long man. with ppls mods and setups pleasee
 
#7 · (Edited)
Aftermarket Computer (You have Power FC)
740cc+ injectors
Walbro Fuel Pump
Cheap ass 4" Front Mount
Greddy Intake Manifold
GT35R with Ford 5 Bolt Exhaust Housing Outlet (You will have to change your exhuast housing)
ATP Ultimate Internal Wastegate
3" downpipe and cat
Apexi N1 Exhaust

Those are the minumum parts that you will need (Clutch). You can do it with the stock intake manifold, but you are going to have to run very high boost (30+). On the Greddy Intake, you will have to run race gas to get 500 at the wheels with stock cams. Probably 23-24 psig. If you go with some big cams, it will probably make 500rwhp on pump gas.

This is basically what I am running on my car, and it is a daily driver.
 
#8 ·
#9 ·
yeah thats prolly the best thread on there, its a good read, to bad he blew it up finally running to much boost. download his videos tooo from his site towards the end of the selection they are sweet.
 
#10 ·
YOu can make 500+WHP on stock internals but is not really suggested.
I have the following and my tuner is cLOse to pulling 500WHP he has hit 474WHP so far..

GT35R
720cc Injectors
Greddy Type-RS BOV
Tial 38mm W/G
Apexi GT Exhaust
Q45 MAF (Blow-Thru)
Custom Intake Plenum
Spearco WAVE FMIC
NISMO FPR
Walbro 255 LP/H Pump
R33 VLSD
Driveshaft Shop Aluminum Drriveshaft
Apexi Power FC
Apexi AVC-R Boost Controller
LM Wideband

THats should get me 500WHP as soon as the tuning is done and I get some Dynographs printed out I'll give you the full out specs on whats what... Any thing else just E-mail me chaoskid282@yahoo.com
 
#11 ·
YOu can make 500+WHP on stock internals but is not really suggested.
I have the following and my tuner is cLOse to pulling 500WHP he has hit 474WHP so far..
You can run big #s on the RB25 all day long. I am running a GT67 on 19 psig and I wind it out daily. When people start getting greedy with the boost, and do not monitor knock or afr, then they start to blow stuff up.

The RB26 was not supposed to make more than 500 rwhp when the Skylines first came here. Mike Ferrara made almost 900awhp on a bone stock bottom end. Big turbos and big cams.

The RB25 #s were set at 350hp a long time erroneously. More and more people are running big boost and big hp #s on the RB25 daily.
 
#19 ·
The GT30R is kinda small for a 25...I have a friend here who's running a T-04R on his & even with that big of a turbo, he's in the boost VERY VERY quickly. The biggest problems with the 25 is people don't tune them right & without proper air/fuel under boost, it's fragile pistons can't take the beating, due to it's relatively high compression. Other problems are the head's design (swapping a 26 head & putting real pistons in there would address the biggest problems) as well as the restrictive intake runner design...one cylinder is always starved more for air than all the others (I can't remember if it's #6 or...). Using an aftermarket intake will help, but the real answer once again is i the tuning. If you're going to use stock pistons, use a MINIMUM of a 1.5mm headgasket (Tomei or Apexi are preferred). Whatever you decide, good luck!
 
#24 ·
I disagree with just about everything that you said.

The GT30R is kinda small for a 25...
The 3076R is a perfect turbo for the RB25 if you want to drive it daily.

I have a friend here who's running a T-04R on his & even with that big of a turbo, he's in the boost VERY VERY quickly.
Boost might come on hard, but if it is a TO4R, it will not start to make good boost till after 3500. That is pretty laggy compared to some smaller GT turbos.

The biggest problems with the 25 is people don't tune them right & without proper air/fuel under boost,
This is the biggest problem for all turbo engines being built.

it's fragile pistons can't take the beating, due to it's relatively high compression.
The pistons are plenty strong. They just do not like to be detonated. Too many people are trying to run mega-high boost on questionable tunes, and not knowing if they have enough fuel supply. If you treat the engine nicely, it will make incredible #s stock. 570rwhp is the highest that I have seen thus far on a stock engine. There are probably higher #s by now though.

Other problems are the head's design (swapping a 26 head & putting real pistons in there would address the biggest problems)
The head design, port wise, is almost identical. The RB25 and RB26 heads have been flowed stock, and they are nearly identical on flow. The RB26 comes with a larger intake vavle than the RB25. That along with the bigger cams is "one" of the reasons the RB26 makes more power.

as well as the restrictive intake runner design...one cylinder is always starved more for air than all the others (I can't remember if it's #6 or...).
The stock intake is restrictive becuase of the small throttle body, and the long intake runners. The flow is actually pretty even from cylinder to cylinder on the stock RB20 and RB25 intakes. The RB26 intake manifold has a problem with the #6 port running too lean, due to the extra air flow.

Using an aftermarket intake will help, but the real answer once again is i the tuning.
Aftermarket manifolds will increase power, but are not necessary.

If you're going to use stock pistons, use a MINIMUM of a 1.5mm headgasket (Tomei or Apexi are preferred). Whatever you decide, good luck!
This is an old myth. There are plenty of 400+rwhp RB25s on the street with stock pistons, stock head gasket and stock cams. The stock head gasket is strong enough. You also do not need to lower the compression. 9:1 sounds like a lot, but if you can tune the car to run with absolutely no knock, then you will be able to make a lot of power on the RB25 with stock parts. I am running 19 psig boost and 20 degrees of timing on my stock pistons. No knock!
 
#26 ·
Its pretty naive to assume that someone doesnt tune their car especially if they have the cash to put an rb in. That is just fucking retarded, who wouldnt take their car to the dyno and say run this shit and make it right......

besides 5-600rwhp is going to be a shitload of horspower for dd. 450 seems to be a bit better number for the dd although it could still be lower.
 
#27 ·
Naive? Where do you live? How many RBs have you worked on? Hmmm...take a look at my location. I've lived in Japan NINE YEARS. I might have a clue as to what I'm talking about...Why do I say this, because for every 20 RBs I come across only 1 has been done halfway right...and this is where you can actually get whatever you need to do things right!

I have a 522 rwhp daily driver, with an SR...Why the hell would I ever want less? I'm getting ready to step it up even more...as I'm still using a stock internal motor (save for HKS Step 1 drop in cams & 1.2mm headgasket).

Am I an RB expert? By no means, but I do have more real life experience than you may think. This is all irrelevant though...he asked for advise on how to make 500+ hp & I gave him what my years over here have taught me. If you don't like it, take a chill pill. There's more out there than what you read on the net or Sports Compact...
 
#30 ·
well then those people need to be slapped because if they can afford to do a $4000 engine swap in there car they can surely afford another 900 bucks for a standalone so they dont explode their car....

I can see the ghettoness actually happening more in japan because people can get the rb's in skylines, they dont have to swap them in. Any time anyone has to swap in a motor that does not originally belong in the car means that they have time and money on their hands. If i put that kind of money into a car you had damn well better believe its going to be done right. I dont half ass anything when it comes to performance and my car....
 
#35 ·
most blown rb's I know of from what i've seen dont usualy have blown pistons. i see alot more crank walking and broken rods dew to lack of oil,and tunnig. same thing that happens to EVO's. Some dude from japan once told me that if ruinng more that 15psi of boost dd. then the oil pump should be upgraded dew to extra pressure on the bearings. also back to people havign standalones and widebands. I mean they might have them but how many know how to use tham, how many afordable shops know how to use them, how many of those people bougth the stuff only because they were told it's the way to go? besides that you guys make the rb seem so differint from other engines. in reality all engines wether it be 350 small block to a honda engine are all very similar. the have pistons, rods, and a crank. so be more open minded to whats around you. just because you play with rbs more dont mean you know more about it then some on who plays with an ls1.
 
#39 ·
It is true that an engine is an engine, but not all engines are the same. The RB25 is a little bit different than the RB26, LS1, LT1 etc. in that not a lot of time or money has been invested, yet, to see what works and what the limits of the engine are.

Taking a bone stock RB25 and putting on a 750 horsepower turbo is one step in finding out what are some problems with the RB25, or any RB for that matter. Surprisingly, the RB25 is a lot stronger than anyone ever gave it credit for. This is the route that a lot of new engines go in the beginning though, because when an engine is new, there are people that have no clue what they are doing as far as tuning, but they beat on the engine and blow it up anyways. After that, the engine gets a bad rep as not being strong, all because some people did not tune their engine correctly.

Most of the time when "some guy from Japan told me" something, they are full of shit. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard that you absolutely had to change the SR20DET head gasket to a metal one over 300 horsepower, I would have a lot of money. That obviously turned out to be false as well. There are plenty of 400rwhp SR20DETs around with stock long blocks, minus cams.
 
#40 ·
Boost from the factory is not really an issue once you get it off of the show room floor, cause we all know that the boost is the first thing to be messed with.

I have had a lot of customers tell me that they like the RB a lot better than the SR, but I have yet to hear one say that they would rather have an SR.
 
#38 ·
umm i think they run like 20 although i could be wrong, it might jsut be what my buddy is running, i cant remember if its the stock boost setting or not...
 
#43 ·
Oh yeah well,, I have a friend who thought about going to japan once and he told me that he heard from someone who hada tshirt from japan that you can have 900 japan hp on a stock japan rb25 on the japan stock japan turbo if you japan retard -20 ignition timing and use a can of japan Nos japan octane booster, dont japan believe me? well I think you outta check out my daily then folks..

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#44 ·
Oh shit broseph! That is like a 1400whp daily driven non-vtec single cam d15 in a crx yo. That's sick.

After a 35 mile trip to work he ponders to himself: For those ten seconds or less, nothing else matters. It's just me and my gheyDM. Ask any ricer, ask any real ricer, it doesn't matter if you're fake gheyDM or real gheyDM, Gayness is Gayness.
 
#47 ·
Oh shit broseph! That is like a 1400whp daily driven non-vtec single cam d15 in a crx yo. That's sick.

After a 35 mile trip to work he ponders to himself: For those ten seconds or less, nothing else matters. It's just me and my gheyDM. Ask any ricer, ask any real ricer, it doesn't matter if you're fake gheyDM or real gheyDM, Gayness is Gayness.

I knew someone absoluetely had to pull a fast and the furious line...sorta......thanks for the amazing laugh that gave :rotflmao :rotflmao :rotflmao :rotflmao :1bowdown