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Right I want to get into some drifting and I need a beater. I have a 94 3000GT VR-4 with 63k on her. So I want to get something that I can beat on and yet still have fun with (drifting, burn outs and such) and looks good too. So I want a S13 5spd. Can I get one for $2000-2500? Maybe $3000? If you what condition will they be in? Also where is the best place to start looking for one.

I dont have alot of money and I just bought a house and it needs some work to the bath room before I can live in it. So I dont want to blow it all on a 240 (buying it and maybe modding it alittle). But I would like to get exhaust, alittle suspension mods done (such as lowering springs if I dont have the money for a coil-over, wheels and tires and maybe some sway bars). Now one question I have is if I'm going to be drifting will I have to get a performance clutch, if so what one (I'll be keeping the KA in it for a while).

And I think the last question what technique do you use to drift (with a S13 bpu)? From what I understand there are to techniques. One is the clutch technique. When approaching a turn push in the clutch and shift into second. Rev it to 4000-5000 rpm and then slightly turn away from the turn and then cut back toward the in hard while, at the same time popping the clutch and causing the the rear wheels to spin. Or Use the hand brake (how you drift in a FWD). So when approaching the turn pull the hand brake and everything else is pretty much the same except that it's much harder to take more then one turn with using the hand brake. Is all this right? I'm guessing that most people use the clutch technique? And is that how you do everything by shifting into second reving it to 4-5k rpm and pop the clutch? Thanks for your help.

Nate.

P.S I wont do the mods right way. After I get to know the car better and learn how it reacts I wont mod it.
 
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Price depends on where you live, but you can start looking for one in the for sale section of this forum. There are a lot of different technique's and if you want to learn them I suggest you buy the drift bible or go to drift events in your area and ask the drifters there if you could ride shotgun, so that you can watch what techniques they use.
 
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240SX's are fairly inexpensive, thats what everyone loves about them. Mine was $800. My advice is look on Ebay, thats how me and most of my team got ours. If $3000 is your price ceiling then you should have no problem at all. Or you could check your local listings. Another thing I've noticed is that if you go to a small town, cars are very cheap. The 240 was in a place called Westfield Ohio, and it was cheap. The 86 Celica Supra MKII I just got was also in a small town, and it was only $500 (I'm selling this btw, make an offer :thumbsup ).

And on your drifting technique, if you drop it into second and rev it to 5k before dropping the clutch, you'll wind up somewhere you don't want to be. I tried this in my old Celica once, I found myself uncomfortably close to a telephone pole. What you do is, if you don't mind making repairs to your drivetrain, is when you're approaching a turn, do some straight line braking to transfer your weight foreward, then if you still think you'll understeer (and in an S13, you probably will) feint to the side and cut back hard while punching the clutch. (your foot is on the gas while you're doing this.) This sends a shock to the drivetrain, locking up the rear tires. Chances are you'll have to do it more than once, so just keep kicking. Then countersteer and proceed through the drift.
You could use the handbrake instead of the clutch kick, but it's frowned upon in the drifting community.
Another method, since your first time at the track you probably won't be ready for the clutch kick, is the power over. This is a good beginner technique because it lets you feel how the car drifts, with little danger of crashing your new S13 into something hard. Proceed through the turn in GRIP (try to keep your tires right at the breaking point), then at the apex (or just after it) give it more gas. Depending on the grip of your tires, you may have to give it more or less gas, but you'll figure it out. This is also a great way to practice exits (an aspect of drifting often overlooked.)
There are, of course, other methods, but you'll figure it all out with practice. These are just the most common procedures.

~Norikumiin :eek3dance
 
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Thanks for in tips. I live in Kansas btw.

Where can I buy The Drift Bible? Is it a book or what? Can I get it at a bookvstore like Barnes and Noble? Thanks.
 
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angelthepig said:
exhaust is pretty much useless in terms of drifting. just spend all you money on suspension if you are looking towards tuning your car for this sport.

-_- Actually if you spend all your money on suspension, you'll have an awesome-handling car with major lag. If you're running stock exhaust (ESPECIALLY on a turbo car) then that's gonna increase the time interval between your foot hitting the floor and the needle hitting the red line. Poor throttle response is not a good thing when you're sideways at 60mph. Remember, Staying in a drift requires proper throttle input.


~Norikumiin :eek3dance
 
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yes

Dude Drift Bible is the sh*t. They usually have them at like Suncoast or something like that. I was about four hours away from buying a ford f-150 when my friend showed me Keiichi Tsuchiya's DRIFT BIBLE. I now am the proud owner of an S13 and an 86 Celica Supra. Hehe.


~Norikumiin :eek3dance


WTFPWND!!!
 
#12 ·
got LSD.

I think the most important mod would have to be a LSD . Save the $$
4 one .If u want to Drift you will need one ASAP. And i would wait and save for the coilovers . Do it right the 1st time you want be sorry.
These cars are a blast.Very underated.
 
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2.240s said:
I think the most important mod would have to be a LSD . Save the $$
4 one .If u want to Drift you will need one ASAP. And i would wait and save for the coilovers . Do it right the 1st time you want be sorry.
These cars are a blast.Very underated.

What one would you get? Whats the best to get for a 240 and drifting? Do 240's come stock with a LSD? I'm looking at a 91 hatchback se 5 spd right now. Does it already have a LSD? What LSD should I look into?
 
#14 ·
Candien models come with the VLSD. Your options are finding a S13 or S14 VLSD or go with the J30 or Z32 options.
 
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#15 ·
Why couldn't I get a KAAZ or a Tomei? Would either of the two KAAZ Soild LSD or Tomei 2 way LSD

Also on what are Nissian R200/R200V differential? I see it on Heavythrottle.com.

Could some one please explain what the J30 or Z32 options are? Thanks again everyone who has helped me.
 
#16 ·
Lsd.

I have a KAAZ 2 way in my 95 240. And it is one of the best upgrades i have done. Takes a little to get use to.Alot of chatter when making slow tight turns. Get on the gas and the rear comes around like its supposed to.
Great in the canyons for grip/handling.When it rains thats where the fun is.
Just be careful..
 
#17 ·
Oh yeah, forgot about the aftermarket options.
 
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#18 ·
coilovers and a 2way and your set
then get a clutch and a seat


also cluctch kick you dont really rev it to a certain rpm, you are flooring it then you just kick the clutch really quick. just like bam in out fast right as your entering the turn.

advice fro drifting.... go to a event first before you try to drift on a street
 
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Norikumiin said:
-_- Actually if you spend all your money on suspension, you'll have an awesome-handling car with major lag. If you're running stock exhaust (ESPECIALLY on a turbo car) then that's gonna increase the time interval between your foot hitting the floor and the needle hitting the red line. Poor throttle response is not a good thing when you're sideways at 60mph. Remember, Staying in a drift requires proper throttle input.


~Norikumiin :eek3dance
yes this is true. but in regards to his budget, as he has stated in his first reply turbo ka or sr20 is probably out of the question. I could be wrong. but still, a good suspension is one of the key components to getting your car sideways.

dont go vlsd
cheaper but crap
 
#20 ·
sdtouge said:
coilovers and a 2way and your set
then get a clutch and a seat


also cluctch kick you dont really rev it to a certain rpm, you are flooring it then you just kick the clutch really quick. just like bam in out fast right as your entering the turn.

advice fro drifting.... go to a event first before you try to drift on a street
OR go drive around and find yourself a nice big empty parking lot. Or some wide road that nobody drives on in the dead of night.
 
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Well I would like to do a SR20 swap later on. But I want to learn how to drift on a near stock car first then mod as I get better. Plus I'll have to save up for that and put money into my house. But later down the road I do plan on a SR20.

So get a 2 way. What one should I get? The KAAZ? Will this Cusco work http://www.driftfactory.com/product_info.php?cPath=71&products_id=341? What about this KAAZ one http://www.driftfactory.com/product_info.php?cPath=71&products_id=215 or this one and what the differance from the two http://www.driftfactory.com/product_info.php?cPath=71&products_id=547? Remember this will be on a stock 91 240 (S13).
 
#22 ·
i mwoudl say try to drif toyur car stock for a tiny bit until you get the hang of it a little better. just ebrake first. going to an event wil really help you out and haveing soemone else drive will let you see what a car can really do.


yes both those will work. i have the kaaz it works. if you want the gnarliest lsd you can gert for your car for drifting get the ats deft force. people that used to work for kaaz left and tried to make a better lsd, they did.\

just worry about coilovers and lsd for now until you need more power.
 
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#23 ·
as everyone stated you dont really need a wild setup to drift, you can drift with your stock car with stock suspension and open diff, and as you get better you can start upgrading your suspension and the diff for more advanced drifting. id suggest you get a good stiff suspension/spring combo or a good coilover set(i like the silkroads for the strength). also get some front/rear sway bars and tower braces for strength, and a lsd of your choice. after that you should have some real fun with the car. :thumbsup

(just remember do it on an empty parking lot or at an autox/drift day event, preferaby dd event because you can get learn more from it then if you were alone in a parking lot)
 
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#24 ·
Yea at all costs I stay off the streets. Only empty parking lots or at a event.

You can drift without a LSD?

And as I stated in my last post I want to learn on a stock or near stock car. Meaning maybe just a LSD and thats all...and as I get better and learn more I'll mod more.

Anyone have a link where to buy the ats deft force?
 
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Ok...thank for the LSD info.

What method should I use my first couple times? E-brake? Kick? Both sorta?

When you do the E-brake method do you just pull up on the e-brake then push it back? Or what? Could some one please explain what you do?

BTW...i've been looking for the Drift Bible but haven't had luck finding it anywhere. May just have to order it online.
 
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