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Cielo's Build Thread.

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#1 ·
Year 1997. 240sx

Mileage:
97,XXX

Engine:
KA24DE

Mods:
NGK Spark plugs.
Blitz Nur Spec R catback & muffler.

Body & Suspension:
Carbon Fiber Hood
Cut Springs.
Open Diff
Front Tower Brace

Wheels & Brakes:
4 Lug
Teardrops
Stock Brakes

Colour:
Flat Black (RattleCan)

NOTES: December 2009. Just thought I'd make my build thread now than never.

PICS: I'd put some up but it's not letting me...
 
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#3 ·
Mileage:
110,XXX

Engine:
KA24DE

Mods:
NGK Spark plugs.
Blitz Nur Spec R catback & muffler.

Body & Suspension:
Carbon Fiber Hood
Cut Springs. -> Megan Coilovers
Open Diff -> S14 VLSD
Front Tower Brace
Door Handles & Locks
Wingless Trunk
JDM Mesh Grill


Wheels & Brakes:
4 Lug -> 5 Lug
Teardrops -> Work Equip Meshs (17x9 All Around 1" lip Front / 2" lip Back)
Stock Brakes -> 5 Lug Generic Drilled/Slotted Front rotors

Colour:
Flat Black (RattleCan) -> Scratched up Forest Green, Filler White.

NOTES:

PICS: I'd put some up but it's not letting me...
 
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#11 ·
he still hasnt learned shit...
Nor has anyone else thanks to members like you.

at any rate, nobody "taught" me that i couldn't post what i wanted in the beginner thread. especially since it's a rather general and nonexclusive section.
 
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#8 ·
thats because none of you are hardly helpful?

I ask questions, and i answer them. and i had to read up everything i've done to the car in the end by myself which could have EASILY been taken care of with simple answers.
Its almost as if I spend more time here TRYING to weed through your shit than i actually get helpful contributions to my questions and/or 240-related threads.

I'm not surprised you'd notice that. It is in the beginners section because i do still feel i am a beginner. And the reason i "haven't learned shit" is because nobody said i couldn't put my build thread in here?
You'd rather tell your members they can't learn because of what they posted rather than give a real fucking answer?
i wouldn't be surprised your cars end up stolen or on blocks if you treated other people like that in real life. Theres a reason that shit doesn't fly in real life.

now seeing as to how you fuckwads ruined my thread. I'll have to take time out of REALLY working on my car to find your little spot where i'm supposed to put it... thanks... a couple mods on here can't even relocate a thread.

Just how much time DO you guys actually spend outside the forums on your machines anyway??? seems like you should have your own "how i love to camp on 240forums and hate on honest to goodness car enthusiasts" forums... The only reason I spend so much damn time here is because of your inconvenient and unhelpful/off topic comments to my questions and threads.
 
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#16 ·
thats because none of you are hardly helpful?
I ask questions, and i answer them. and i had to read up everything i've done to the car in the end by myself which could have EASILY been taken care of with simple answers.
are you serious. thats called your doing research to learn about your car. not being spoon fed information. im glad you took the time to learn that shit on your own because now you can say, i learned this by searching "blah". not someone told me how to do it.

i wouldn't be surprised your cars end up stolen or on blocks if you treated other people like that in real life. Theres a reason that shit doesn't fly in real life.
i'd fucking kill somebody if my shit was stolen

Just how much time DO you guys actually spend outside the forums on your machines anyway???
honestly, if you looked at my build thread, you'd know that answer, oh wait, that would require you to leave the beginner section. you know there's a whole forum on this site, not just this sub-forum. you would actually learn more, if you'd broaden your horizon....
 
#9 ·
You doing a complete 5 lug swap or 5 lug conversion hub? Just curious.
 
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#12 ·
Everything ive done to the car already is mentioned in my build.

Parts i haven't yet installed are not on the list.

The parts in blue are parts that have been newly installed. showing the upgrade/change from what i had previously...

and yes, ive done the COMPLETE 5 lug swap with real SE hubs. thanks to nicco more genuinely but a fraction of thanks to the little info i actually weeded through on the question i posted here...

never seen you ask any questions

just seen you bullshit answers to newbies questions and give them false info...
prove it with an example. because i never once posted a false statement without correcting myself. most of my replies are merely my view or opinion on something anyway. which can't be considered "false info"
 
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#13 ·
Damn! Trying to round-up all the parts I need for mine lol, thats why I was curious. You need to post pics, just make a photobucket account, upload pics, then click the "Inset Image" button on the forum's reply screen, copy paste the IMAGE code in the box.
 
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#14 ·
I got all my parts off of a S14 zenki SE parts car. just looked up on nicco the step by step install for 5 lug and used all the parts i needed and left the ones i didn't. pretty much the fronts were the only hard part for me because theres all those alignment parts there but i just hobbled the car over to firestone to get it realigned and the rears were done alot smoother since i didn't have to touch the camber and toe settings. your really just installing brake rotors/ pads/ calipers and the hubs and then break testing them when ur done with a friend.

as for the photos. for some reason the forums are being a dick and not letting me post any images. lol
 
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#15 ·
As much as you're complaining that we camp the forums all day and don't work on our "machines", you really haven't done much at all. Coils, 5lug, and an LSD is essentially an afternoon/day tops. Tell us again we don't work on our cars...lol

You only get dick answers because you don't bother looking the information up yourself. Examples of your threads:
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/128398-jdm-s14-kouki-bumper-install.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/b...orums/beginner-s-forum/131818-costs-5spd-conversion-never-right-forums-why.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/b...inner-s-forum/132575-jdm-s14-kouki-turn-signals-missing-screws-repacements.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/b...ner-s-forum/132785-long-paranoid-newb-question-about-my-s14-body-condition.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/132269-s14-window-visor-oem-sideskirts-help.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/133307-white-face-gauges.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/134042-how-much-does-cost-trig-body.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/134203-i-want-flutter.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/128577-weary-stuck-another-engine-comparison.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/128358-helical-diff-where-buy-one.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/126241-kouki-zenki-i-dont-know-help.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/134689-any1-else-get-keyed.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/beginner-s-forum/135629-wheres-hole-firewall-wire-amp-wires.html
http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/ka24de-t-ka24e/136254-what-might-produce-sound.html

These are just highlights. Instead of telling us how we don't work on our own cars, how about you look up your own answers instead of asking stupid stuff.
 
#18 ·
Um just by reading the title of those threads i can automatically see they were completely innocent questions. ALL of which i searched before i asked. So why is it still stupid if i'm using the info to build my car??? Now anyone else before me can see those threads and if they have a similar question, they can get the answer. Almost No thread recent enough has had those questions asked or answered.

And if you don't yet realize. some of those posts are "inner-thought" posts such as "getting keyed" and evaluation about the mentality of enthusiasts on certain matters. not every thread has to be about hard data. Is it wrong to post "Wouldn't it be cool?" or "what if?" forums about the S chassis?

Do you think body condition is unimportant? Not everyone is an M.I.T. Technitian with over 10 years of automobile engineering and experience. you only think its a stupid question because you know the answer. i find THAT stupid.
 
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#22 ·
I have read most of the links posted above and posted in a couple of them. I never really paid attention to this guy until now. This whole thing is depressing. OP, google is your friend. Use it. There is so much info out there for anything you want. There is no way you searched because within just a couple of minutes I found the answers to almost all of your post. No body is going to just give you the answer and if your too lazy to search for it then it look like you will just have to deal with it yourself. This is a great forum and you are just putting it down because you want us to give you all the answers. Please stop wasting space on this forum with questions that can be answered with a simple search.
 
#23 ·
You realize there will never be one forum with every answer right? I routinely send people to Zilvia or Nico for specific things. Get over it.
If you don't like it here, nobody's forcing you to stay. Try those questions on Z or N. Nico will get flammed or just plain no replies, Zilvia will be a slaughter, and possibly a ban. Have a nice day.
 
#25 ·
actually i hardly got flamed on nicco. mainly because they had all i needed in clear daylight about my sentra... rip. and when i did have a question, i had alot of like-minded people who won't get all pissed over a little "wouldn't it be cool if?" thread that i made occasionally.

its supposed to be a fan thing. that's what you need to understand about forums.
 
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#24 ·
wow this is very irritating.

you guys THINK you found answers quickly. you think i HAVEN'T google'd long hours frustratingly, without any solid answers to questions as i ask them in order to DO something to my car??
Why would i google for 3 minutes and proceed to alter my vehicle when all i found were fight threads and "oh uhh im not sure, i THINK it goes like this..." threads from 10 fucking years ago? the MAIN problem with "answers" found like that on the web is they always end like "IIRC... don't quote me though" or "I think it MIGHT work". Why would i do somethng to my car if "they THINK it may work"??? EXACTLY.

Some of the info i find is so old and outdated how can you even trust it?? i end up catching myself reading threads on different forums from 2002 before anyone actually knew anything.

you gotta put yourself in MY shoes. if your doing the project or searching, you need a clear understanding and i wouldn't post a thread if i'm still unclear on what i learned so far. *its bad enough i got everybody and their dog pissing on my parade when all i'm tryna do is share and put care into S13s and S14s like everyone else here*.

Do none of you realize that googling other threads might just end up with unanswered questions and people on THOSE forums telling their OPs to "Search". If you have 5000 threads in google's catch that are full of arguments and people only telling other people to search, you end up making a big waste of time and eliminate the reason why forums are made. as i've said for the 100th time. where's the support?
 
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#26 ·
I didn't bring up your OT threads. You made them in beginner, clearly where they belong if they must be made...

The car's haven't changed since 1998, "outdated" info in a lot of cases is still correct. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong.

All you're doing by ranting is showing us you need someone to hold your hand while you work on your car. If you THINK that's how it works, compare it to an FSM and figure it out. Man up and stop whining.

And yes, most of the time a 5 minute google with 10 minutes of reading is all that's needed. I'm doing completely custom things to mine and still found the info needed to figure things out in 20 minutes. If you're spending hours and getting nothing, you're doing it wrong.

/sigh. Where's fonix and word when you need them
 
#29 ·
The car's haven't changed since 1998, "outdated" info in a lot of cases is still correct. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong.
Can you say the same thing in cases like the KA-T? No, because in 2000 it was HARDLY an established index in tuning or aftermarket companies.

Try reading a forum on KA-Ts in 2003 when all you get is squabble and not alot of info because it's hardly been done (If at all properly) back then. compare that to a thread from 2008+ and you will see what i mean.

Not to mention, alot of those old threads have dead links on them which won't help either. or they refference an outdated method or product to accomplish something, between then and now, a new better product or method could have been pioneered or developed for doing that certain task. If i were to swap an RB25 using nothing but good judgment and info from 2001, i wouldn't even know i could get conversion mounts for my car and end up wasting time and money to fab everything up like the old days... because the info wasn't recent... do you understand now?

ADD: Its almost impossible to find a discussion of frame integrity and body condition in S14s because its not something alot of people think about or care about with this car.

You wanna talk about universal knowledge and applying it to make assumptions about how to carry out projects? Go read a thread in 02 where veterans are all making poor statements about how KA-Ts can't be done sensibly. all based off of "universal" theories in mechanics. which may be scientifically accurate, but not necessarily right. now read an article from this year and their knowledge is beaten down, even if they were engine gurus, they were still wrong!. another reason why it helps to not just make an educated guess and SEE if someone made something possible.

Bottom line: If i know what the task is at hand, and it's clear in my head what i want to do. Doesn't it make SENSE to want to find out if it is at all possible that there are established WAYS to do what im about to do before i proceed to macgyver it?
 
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#28 ·
Like the new thread on white gauges, which is a repost of a thread you already have on it? Yeah, never making it again.

Seriously? Having to ask about replacement screws? Go to a fucking Home Depot.
Body conditions aren't that different between cars. When I started to bondo my new trunk, do you think I looked for hours on how to do it on an S14? No. You look up how to bondo, and adapt instructions to your application.

Name 1 S14-only body condition you couldn't have found with some intelligent searching. It'll be fun proving you wrong.
 
#30 ·
We care plenty, but care exterior care is fairly universal. Materials don't change that much between a few set options, and then it's a matter of shape change. Use your head.
 
#32 ·
I've learned a lot about 240s just from coming here. I came from a FWD dsm though.

For bolts and nuts I usually just go to the local hardware store and they know me now so they let me run in and out with whatever until I find what I need. I guess it's a good thing they see me every other week. lol
 
#38 ·
He whores the beginner section because he doesn't like me neg repping him anymore.

Also this thread blows balls
 
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#48 ·
I actually failed to notice the rep meter. lol I don't come on here for rep. i come here to learn and share. that is all.

and honestly, the only reason i can see why anyone would "neg rep" me is because you don't like my view or opinion. and its understandable since alot of you are drifters and i'm one of the few who want to keep my car nice so i actually saw it coming the moment i joined this forum that if i -EVER at all- shared my beliefs, i'd be flamed for it.

tried to keep quiet about how i wanted to express myself and my car because of it, but its just how I** like to do it. and my questions go in tandem with what i'm trying to achieve for my 240. I'm a clear example of just because i don't agree with the crowd, i get shot at plenty. but i don't care and will continue to contribute to the site and take from it... SOMEONE around here has to have respect for ALL questions and points of view on their 240s and however they want to build it. so i'll be that guy.
 
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