Just throw in a performance radiator and some electric fans and you will be okay, oh and 1 bar = 14.7 psi = 100 kpa
psi = pounds per square inch
kpa = kilograms per square centimeter

 

your friend is a moron...

and screw aftermarket radiator and fans.

a fmic will make a world of difference in power and shouldn't block much of the radiator if installed properly.

oh, and there is no way to drain horsepower by blocking a radiator.

 

dosent a bigger intercooler drop some psi in the system though?

 

maybe but just crank it back up with a bleed valve - you can run up to 12psi safely with a front mount. It is the first mod you should do

 

maybe but just crank it back up with a bleed valve - you can run up to 12psi safely with a front mount. It is the first mod you should do

And a stock t25 can handle up to 1 bar of boost. That is pushing it to the absolute max...

 

luke it all depends on what turbo you have, what kinda fin type, core type, end tanks, thickness, width, ect. I used to be a long time member of tt.net and you see alot of guys talking about intercooler flow rates, pressure loss for different turbos, spool times. gets really technical in there

 

thanks for all the info guys, I read that in Japan 1 Bar= 14.2 which is impossible right? Isnt it that 1 Bar= 14.7psi Everywhere?

 

thanks for all the info guys, I read that in Japan 1 Bar= 14.2 which is impossible right? Isnt it that 1 Bar= 14.7psi Everywhere?

yea...

luke it all depends on what turbo you have, what kinda fin type, core type, end tanks, thickness, width, ect. I used to be a long time member of tt.net and you see alot of guys talking about intercooler flow rates, pressure loss for different turbos, spool times. gets really technical in there

you sig is awesome :thumbsup

 

Hey I'm his friend who said that. I was misquoted, I said that a huge fmic would likely hurt performance or certainly not be worth the thousand dollars when using the sr20det's t-2-small (t25). Too large of an area for too small of a turbo. The stock sr20det has a sufficient cooling system for lots of additional horsepower. I wouldn't think an fmic would even be neccesary until more boost and fuel tuning were completed. Ever hear of a vmount intercooler? They're designed to eliminate a frequent problem with fmic's blocking airflow throught the radiator and causing overheating. Secondly tell me you guys arent using bleeder valves on your cars are you? Do the smart thing and get a decent boost controller rather than just increasing lag to push an already crappy turbo even further out of its efficiancy range.

Hehe im such a troll!

 

v-mount intercooler = badass. has anyone done that to their 240?

 

the signal drift twins have it. you gotta be pretty damn serious about your cooling if you're going to fork out the cash to get a v-mount, especially on our cars

Phil

 

intercooler cools the air, basic terms for a basic person, cooler air = power
you "awdsm drft" are somewhat wrong, a fmic wil help very much no matter the turbo

 

Hey I'm his friend who said that. I was misquoted, I said that a huge fmic would likely hurt performance or certainly not be worth the thousand dollars when using the sr20det's t-2-small (t25). Too large of an area for too small of a turbo. The stock sr20det has a sufficient cooling system for lots of additional horsepower. I wouldn't think an fmic would even be neccesary until more boost and fuel tuning were completed. Ever hear of a vmount intercooler? They're designed to eliminate a frequent problem with fmic's blocking airflow throught the radiator and causing overheating. Secondly tell me you guys arent using bleeder valves on your cars are you? Do the smart thing and get a decent boost controller rather than just increasing lag to push an already crappy turbo even further out of its efficiancy range.

Hehe im such a troll!

You dont need a huge one - but almost anything is better than the god awful stock sidemount that nissan dares to call an intercooler.
Maybe find a VR4 or Supra frontmount. They are cheap and good first upgrades.

FMIC blocking radiator is not a 'frequent problem' thats causes overheating. Stop trying to scare people.

All boost control works by bleeding off boost from the wastegate signal line. Bleed valves are fine for cars with mild upgrades running under 1 bar boost. They are cheap, they are reliable and they are proven.

 

Dominated.

 

 

Okay

First off. Mr. Joel, niether supra's or 3kgt's had front mount intercoolers.

Ouch

Secondly I specifically said "bleeder valve". There is a huge difference between a pos bleeder valve and a ball and spring type manual boost controller. A bleeder valve will increase lag while a ball and spring mbc will decrease lag.

Ouch

Thirdly, not all boost controllers raise boost by bleeding off air to the wastegate. Electronic boost controller's funcion as an independant solenoid.

Ouch.

Fourthly? SR20DET's are infamous for thier overheating problems. Now why would you want to further increase this problem with a massive fmic. Radiator's depend on air flow. FMIC's sit directly in front of the radiator. If you think you were having cooling problems when your radiator was bent up and covered in dead bugs imagine a giant wall of metal sitting right in front of it whose purpose is to suck up as much air as possible.


Ouch.


and lastly... DOMINATED.

 

^^^^^^^^^Friend Posting under my Name aka "AWDSM Drift"

 

lol @ awdsm drft hahah
and you do know an intercooler doesnt "suck up" air right? you ever look at one up close? air goes through it...

 

 

DOMINATED

negative dude....

wait.

negative. :nono

 

thanks for all the info guys, I read that in Japan 1 Bar= 14.2 which is impossible right? Isnt it that 1 Bar= 14.7psi Everywhere?

1 bar = 14.5 psi = 0.1 MPa = 100 kN/m2.
1 atmos = 14.7 psi

Earth's atmosphere is pressing against each square inch of you with a force of 1 kilogram per square centimeter (14.7 pounds per square inch)

People confuse these two alot because the numbers are so close to each other.

 

Upgrade your intercooler and radiator = cooler motor and cooler intake air charge PROBLEM SOLVED....oh yeah, Joel180 didnt say 'STOCK' vr4 and supra front mounts either...but you are right, SR's do have the tendancy to run hot, which is why Im upgrading my radiator... :thumbsup

 

Okay

First off. Mr. Joel, niether supra's or 3kgt's had front mount intercoolers.

Ouch

I meant front mounting these factory intercoolers on a S13.

The one on the right is a 1GGTE (GA70 Supra)
The one on the left is a 7MGTE (MA70 Supra)
As you can see they are both bigger than the factory s13 silvia front mount and they can be sourced for dirt cheap. It was a suggested upgrade option, not an invitation for argument.

Secondly I specifically said "bleeder valve". There is a huge difference between a pos bleeder valve and a ball and spring type manual boost controller. A bleeder valve will increase lag while a ball and spring mbc will decrease lag.

Ouch

At low boost applications they will not increase lag by a significant amount. There is obviously some terminology confusion here. I was referring to these type.

one of which i have installed on my car. They are a cheap and easy to install mod for a mild tuned car. I wouldnt recommend them for SR's with huge turbos and precise tuning though.

Thirdly, not all boost controllers raise boost by bleeding off air to the wastegate. Electronic boost controller's funcion as an independant solenoid.

Ouch.

Yes they do. Whether they send the bled signal back into the intake side is a different matter. Most aftermarket solenoids send the unwanted boost signal back into the intake. Some bleed valves do this too but most dont, sending the signal to atmosphere. But in the end both a bleed valve and a solenoid work by altering the boost signal to the wastegate.

Fourthly? SR20DET's are infamous for thier overheating problems. Now why would you want to further increase this problem with a massive fmic. Radiator's depend on air flow. FMIC's sit directly in front of the radiator. If you think you were having cooling problems when your radiator was bent up and covered in dead bugs imagine a giant wall of metal sitting right in front of it whose purpose is to suck up as much air as possible.

Our club has about 60 Silvias, 180sx's and 200sx's with the SR20DET and front mount intercoolers. Most of these cars do regular track work, Motorkhana, qtr mile runs and long cruises and overheating due to a front mount installation has never been an issue on any of them. The fundamental design of an intercooler is for air to flow through it as easily and quickly as possible. On a properly designed front mount there is plenty of air flowing through the intercooler to go on and cool the radiator.
I you have cooling problems it would be a better idea to upgrade the radiator rather than get rid of a frontmount intercooler.

Ouch.
and lastly... DOMINATED.

You seem to be pretty confident that your guesswork is accurate.

 

I meant front mounting these factory intercoolers on a S13.

The one on the right is a 1GGTE (GA70 Supra)
The one on the left is a 7MGTE (MA70 Supra)
As you can see they are both bigger than the factory s13 silvia front mount and they can be sourced for dirt cheap. It was a suggested upgrade option, not an invitation for argument.


At low boost applications they will not increase lag by a significant amount. There is obviously some terminology confusion here. I was referring to these type.

one of which i have installed on my car. They are a cheap and easy to install mod for a mild tuned car. I wouldnt recommend them for SR's with huge turbos and precise tuning though.


Yes they do. Whether they send the bled signal back into the intake side is a different matter. Most aftermarket solenoids send the unwanted boost signal back into the intake. Some bleed valves do this too but most dont, sending the signal to atmosphere. But in the end both a bleed valve and a solenoid work by altering the boost signal to the wastegate.

Our club has about 60 Silvias, 180sx's and 200sx's with the SR20DET and front mount intercoolers. Most of these cars do regular track work, Motorkhana, qtr mile runs and long cruises and overheating due to a front mount installation has never been an issue on any of them. The fundamental design of an intercooler is for air to flow through it as easily and quickly as possible. On a properly designed front mount there is plenty of air flowing through the intercooler to go on and cool the radiator.
I you have cooling problems it would be a better idea to upgrade the radiator rather than get rid of a frontmount intercooler.


You seem to be pretty confident that your guesswork is accurate.

DAMN!!!! You got your shit together man i give you mad props.

:thumbsup :1bowdown :thumbsup

 

yes thats best explanation i have seen. PROPS!! p.s. my friend is an idiot dont worry about him