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ka24de boosted and slower than before!!!

3.9K views 31 replies 15 participants last post by  TomTomTuning  
#1 ·
Hi I just turbocharged my ka24de on my 1990 fastback. i know this sounds rediculous, but at 6psi, i am slower than before. :tears

here is my setup:
jgs stage 2 log manifold
t3/t4
3" downpipe
turbosmart wg 35mm
reflashed ecu
walbero fuel pump
1g dsm bov
sr370 cc injectors
i did back off the timing to 15 degrees... to be safe.:yummy
thats basicly it..

now what is happening is i just don't feel any insane rush of power, just a bit of lag then a tiny bit more power, it is a little slower than before when it was n/a and stock!
I am very dissapointed and feel like going back to n/a.
please help me figure this out! Thanks!

here is a pic if it helps.
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#2 ·
i know yours is ka, but i had a similar prob on my ca, and with mine i just had to get every thing tuned right, and vaccum lines in order, it still runs a little shaky but thats cause i still on stock fuel pump, but this is all on 8lbs, hope that helps any.
 
#6 ·
i just replaced my cap, rotor, wires, one step colder on the ngk spark plugs, and new 300zx fuel filter etc..
The vaccume lines are bov to intake manifold, and line from lower part of wg to turbo compressor side of turbocharger! i also put my boost gauge line to the intake manifold.

dude, my car was faster before i installed the turbo kit! does backing off timing to 15 degrees make that much of a difference with turbo?
 
#8 ·
What boost are you running at?
What does the gauge read (if you even have one?)


like i said before im running 6psi!

Did you lose your intercooler (seems to be missing):

i am not using one right now, my reasoning is because the z31 turbo and 280zx turbo don't have one, and they don't have even a bov, and they run more boost, so i should be ok! but for 6psi i should be safe. i am planning on using my smic if and when i raise boost.

Who re-flashed your ECU?
i am friends with someone who does it for a living. i forgot his company name(he is legit), but he used the same timing and fuel map that jwt uses.

what kind Spark plugs? i used one step colder than stock (NGK)
 
#25 ·
Who re-flashed your ECU?
i am friends with someone who does it for a living. i forgot his company name(he is legit), but he used the same timing and fuel map that jwt uses.
are you sure your friend uses the same timing and fuel maps as JWT? jwt 'encrypts' there images so that no one can copy them...
 
#10 ·
i called my friend, who tuned my ecu, he says it was designed to work with stock timing (20 degrees) when i retarded the timing to 15 deg. he says it lowers the timing to 9 degrees when under boost. so whe i bring it back to 20 it will be 14 degrees. i'll bump up the timing tonight and go for another drive.:heyhey
 
#13 ·
well i brought it back to 20 deg. it is definitly faster, but i'm still not happy with the power. it only seems to have 20-30 hp more than stock.
I guess i'll get a new chip set burned with more aggressive timing and fuel trim. its a bit rich and 14 degrees seems to be so-so.... but heck! its safe and my car runs good. cept two things.... a small lean spot when you first hit the gas hard for a split second. and the other thing is it wants to die, or stumbles when i let it idle down aggressivly.

thanks for the help!
 
#31 ·
well i brought it back to 20 deg. it is definitly faster, but i'm still not happy with the power. it only seems to have 20-30 hp more than stock.
I guess i'll get a new chip set burned with more aggressive timing and fuel trim. its a bit rich and 14 degrees seems to be so-so.... but heck! its safe and my car runs good. cept two things.... a small lean spot when you first hit the gas hard for a split second. and the other thing is it wants to die, or stumbles when i let it idle down aggressivly.

thanks for the help!
one, you need a better tune. go to a shop and pay for a better tune. the tune you have now isn't specific for your car, it is basically a guess... and guessing isn't good enough

second, at 6 pounds of boost, all you're gonna gain is 30 ish HP.
a stock sr20 will beat you with only 6 pounds.

if you want to go fast, get an intercooler on there, bump the boost to 8-10 and get it tuned. the better the tune the better the engine will run and the more power you can make.
 
#15 ·
i say run a fmic - install a fpr - boost gage - boost controler that should help
without a fmic all your doing is pumping hot air into the motor i would recomend one even if its a stock sr20 fmic


and have your ecu re maped
 
#20 ·
the ecu is getting remapped soon, i already have a turbo tune, but i wanted conservitive and thats what i got.:heyhey
the car already has a fpr stock and it works perfectly
i already have a boost guage
i know about the ic, jeeze, even with an ic its still hot air. and there is more lag with one.
 
#21 ·
You should be running a walbro fuel pump and you would need a better fpr for the increased flow. So get those two things. Otherwise, you are on teh right track with the new map and ic. I would not expect your car to make more than 30hp extra with no ic.
 
#22 ·
the biggest mistake you got is that you don't have a wideband, you need one ASAP!,also what type of gap are u running on the spark plugs?also it looks like you have a eBay turbo that could also be the problem,check on your boost gauge to see if your building any boost.
 
#23 ·
#24 ·
hey thanks for the ic link, looks very tempting. But I want more stealth. I was thinking of something i can mount that doesn't show up for the cops. i mean, black paint doesn't work when they are looking right at it!

at 1 am in the morning i was driving home with my brother. he has a 1970 chevy Nova with a rebuilt 327 ci small block with cam and 4-barrel edelbrock carb and dual 2.5" exaust. it has the tall gearing from the inline six. but with the v8 it is pretty insane what top speeds you can get. we also re-did the suspension with all urathane bushings, new springs and leafs, and adjustable shocks, swaybars, and traction bars with some 15x8 american racing sloted wheels and bf goodrichs all around. it drives strait as an arrow and handles as good as its gonna get with that aged suspension. well I ran him on the empty freeway from 55 (he got me from the start, damn automatic and v8) and we held pretty steady up untill 145mph (I did pull on him a few car lengths, but it wasn't like i flew by LOL!) when i let off.
 
#27 ·
uhhh if you look at his post it said either run a blow through setup or recirc your boc\v. it didnt say that he was running blow though..

anyway..get the fmic. and recirc the bov. wideband and tune. dont go back to NA. trust me you havent seen what that turbo could do. the first time i drove my ca(.4l smaller) with a t28, at 6psi, i about shat my pants. dont worry that will be a fun car. its a learning process which takes time and patience
 
#32 ·
You dont have to recirculate the blow off valve.

the only reason its a problem on SR's is the ECU is expecting that Air
So when ever you run a Blow off valve that air isnt there any more.

With a KA, the extra air was never there.. so i dont believe you need a recirculating.

Yes not having an intercooler will give you more response but honestly you will be limited on the power you can make... Intercooler really do help bro.

So my recomendations

Adjustable fuel pressure regulator = set Fuel pressure to what it should be
Intercooler (side mount or what ever you want)
Get the car tuned correctly
Boost controller to manage your boost.

And you should be good to go. there are some other things i still would recommend like a wide band but thats up to you