get your car smogged with the stock KA and make it pass.

then swap in your SR and your good until you have to smog her again, after that i dunno. maybe bribe some shady DEQ guys? i've got my s13 registered where they dont care what comes out the tail pipe so i guess i'm lucky.

 

there's no way to AVOID smog if you want your car running the streets. meet some forum people around your area and actaully meet them face to face or something so they don't think you're a pig or anything. chances are they'll lead you to some shop who'll charge 200, usually, to pass smog

 

i know of a place that CAN SMOG your car.... O=]... they charge 400 and your car doesnt have to be tehre

 

Ok so i want to install a SR into my 240 and i live in CA...What would be some suggestions to either pass SMOG or avoid it but without getting busted.

passing CA smog test is the least of your problems, because it's illegal to have an SR20DET on a public road in the first place.

Any engine can pass smog regardless of what it has bolted to it. BUT any cop can write you a ticket or (those who are more aware than others) can spot your SR20DET, impound your car, and you'll never get it back.

And then there's the fines involved for commiting a federal offense...

... etc. :dancingco

 

That's why I live in Kentucky....

 

so if say they pull you over for a fix-it ticket because your signal light isn't working, they can check under your hood?

 

so if say they pull you over for a fix-it ticket because your signal light isn't working, they can check under your hood?

yes and no.

Yes because all they have to say in a semi-polite-but-really-sneaky-way is "mind if I take a look under your hood?". You let them, they see SR, you're screwed - or if they don't know what they're looking at, they can call CHP officers (who are trained to identify the beloved SR motor now). If you don't let them, they can say you answered suspicious, and can get a warrant to open your hood on suspicion alone.

No because I remember reading a true story about a week ago about a guy who was pulled over for having a dead brake light bulb. The officer ticketed the guy (fix-it ticket) then asked if he could search the car. He searched the car and found weed in the glovebox, so he arrested the driver on possession. However the driver's lawyer contested in court that the officer already had enough evidence to cite the driver for what he was pulled over for (the broken bulb) - and that the officer stepped over the limits when he pursued even further by doing the search. The driver won, got some settlement.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to scare you guys/gals or anything, I'm just being honest bout what I know =)

 

Ok well to avoid all of this is it ok to leave the KA in there...is it a decent engine for drifting as i have spent mos tof my time on th 86 i know little about the 240sx potential.....so i was thinkin leave in the KA and IN-N-OUT it and maybe do some turbo mods....so please email as much info as you can on my options and where i can find the products at spartagtr@sbcglobal.net

 

putting it to the test

Well, I decided to take one of the 240sx "track only cars" :wink: w. a redtop sr20det to a California test only smog shop to see how far off a SR is on emissions and did a "pre-test" run. I'm not debating the legality of the swap. It is illegal in California. Period. The experiment was to see where one particular sr20det would read on the chart. Also to figure out how to get the car pass emissions if the engine was street legal in CA.

So the car had a stock cat, & stock turbo and ECU. The only mods were intake, exhaust, and Koyo radiator w. FAL fans. The car passed on everything but NOx at 25mph. The NOx at 25mph was twice the max limit (738ppm) at close to 1400 ppm. As you can guess, this is because the car doesn't have an EGR. The car does run a little lean at low rpms and thus combustion temps are high and would give off high NOx.

We will be experimenting w. changing the base timing to run the car a little richer. Also changing the "gearing" by lowering the tire pressures to get the RPMs up at 25mph to try and get the car running in a place where NOx is in the lower range of the NOx curve. We will also try the G2P (Guaranteed To Pass) fuel additive/cleaner. And of course putting on a brand new cat.

Who knows. After all this experimenting, we might be able to go to the CARB office (which happens to be down here in So. Cal) to get this puppy approved. Unlikely, but we can always try.

By the way... For those in So. Cal. you will notice that if you own a 240sx and are getting a renewal, you will have to go to a Test Only shop goin forward as the car is now on the "High Emitter Profile." Even if your car is completely legit, you're gonna have to start taking it to a Test Only shop. And they definitely are a lot stricter. D'oh!

 

DAMN thats whack. So lets say I just bought a 240sx and I need to get it registered under my name I have to take it to a test only place (I live in So Cal)? Man... Thats whack. I hate CA so much right now. I've never heard of anything like that, its just for 240's?

 

Well, I decided to take one of the 240sx "track only cars" :wink: w. a redtop sr20det to a California test only smog shop to see how far off a SR is on emissions and did a "pre-test" run. I'm not debating the legality of the swap. It is illegal in California. Period. The experiment was to see where one particular sr20det would read on the chart. Also to figure out how to get the car pass emissions if the engine was street legal in CA.

So the car had a stock cat, & stock turbo and ECU. The only mods were intake, exhaust, and Koyo radiator w. FAL fans. The car passed on everything but NOx at 25mph. The NOx at 25mph was twice the max limit (738ppm) at close to 1400 ppm. As you can guess, this is because the car doesn't have an EGR. The car does run a little lean at low rpms and thus combustion temps are high and would give off high NOx.

We will be experimenting w. changing the base timing to run the car a little richer. Also changing the "gearing" by lowering the tire pressures to get the RPMs up at 25mph to try and get the car running in a place where NOx is in the lower range of the NOx curve. We will also try the G2P (Guaranteed To Pass) fuel additive/cleaner. And of course putting on a brand new cat.

Who knows. After all this experimenting, we might be able to go to the CARB office (which happens to be down here in So. Cal) to get this puppy approved. Unlikely, but we can always try.

By the way... For those in So. Cal. you will notice that if you own a 240sx and are getting a renewal, you will have to go to a Test Only shop goin forward as the car is now on the "High Emitter Profile." Even if your car is completely legit, you're gonna have to start taking it to a Test Only shop. And they definitely are a lot stricter. D'oh!

Nice try, but you think it's just "walk into CARB office and say 'hey - it passes!' and you'r done? It takes thousands just to properly certify anything to comply or get an E.O. number from CARB.

...and SR20DET's are still illegal. I don't understand what part of that word people can't get. LOL

 

yes and no.

Yes because all they have to say in a semi-polite-but-really-sneaky-way is "mind if I take a look under your hood?". You let them, they see SR, you're screwed - or if they don't know what they're looking at, they can call CHP officers (who are trained to identify the beloved SR motor now). If you don't let them, they can say you answered suspicious, and can get a warrant to open your hood on suspicion alone.

No because I remember reading a true story about a week ago about a guy who was pulled over for having a dead brake light bulb. The officer ticketed the guy (fix-it ticket) then asked if he could search the car. He searched the car and found weed in the glovebox, so he arrested the driver on possession. However the driver's lawyer contested in court that the officer already had enough evidence to cite the driver for what he was pulled over for (the broken bulb) - and that the officer stepped over the limits when he pursued even further by doing the search. The driver won, got some settlement.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to scare you guys/gals or anything, I'm just being honest bout what I know =)

What if we install hood pins that require a key to open so when they ask to look under the hood, we just say that we left the key at home or somthing. Then it wont be considered suspicious and then they will not have enough to get a warrant, right?

 

police can call for a warrant on the spot... and guess what? You wait in your car or in the back of their car until another officer shows up with the warrant... which can take as long as 2 hours.

As if they care if you need to be somewhere.

 

so if you want it to drive legally... what if.... you just dont get it?



:smacked49

 

so if you want it to drive legally... what if.... you just dont get it?



:smacked49

? was that a question? lol

 

im not quite sure now..

 

In regards to the 240sx being on the "Test Only" list. It's not just 240sx. It's cars that are considered more likely to fail smog. The list comprises of older cars for the most part and cars that are more likely to be modified out of smog compliance. Although the last part isn't what you'll hear from anyone from the gov't.

In regards to walking into CARB... DUHH!!!!! I'm not saying I'm gonna waltz on in as a private citizen and get my one car passed. I've been to CARB before and know the process. I've gone as a member of engineering teams for parts companies to get CARB stickers for aftermarket parts and know the process. What we did was for sh*ts and giggles to see how far off a car w. a sr20det was on smog. If we can come up w. a "kit" that makes this engine legal and get it certified... do you know how much potential income that would be for the "kit" to legalize the swap? And yes, as I said in my post... the swap is 100% illegal. (for now) It was a thought as we were looking at other potential revenue streams. Not something we are definite on pursuing, but it was a thought. As I said in my post... unlikely, but who knows.

 

In regards to the 240sx being on the "Test Only" list. It's not just 240sx. It's cars that are considered more likely to fail smog. The list comprises of older cars for the most part and cars that are more likely to be modified out of smog compliance. Although the last part isn't what you'll hear from anyone from the gov't.

In regards to walking into CARB... DUHH!!!!! I'm not saying I'm gonna waltz on in as a private citizen and get my one car passed. I've been to CARB before and know the process. I've gone as a member of engineering teams for parts companies to get CARB stickers for aftermarket parts and know the process. What we did was for sh*ts and giggles to see how far off a car w. a sr20det was on smog. If we can come up w. a "kit" that makes this engine legal and get it certified... do you know how much potential income that would be for the "kit" to legalize the swap? And yes, as I said in my post... the swap is 100% illegal. (for now) It was a thought as we were looking at other potential revenue streams. Not something we are definite on pursuing, but it was a thought. As I said in my post... unlikely, but who knows.

Well that's great, but unless you come up with that magic kit then your answers are pointless since the guy is asking a different question than what you're answering.

Duh.

 

just put on large cats and your fine and that engen is not illiegal so they may have u do some tinges to it but is not illiegale. josh

 

just put on large cats and your fine and that engen is not illiegal so they may have u do some tinges to it but is not illiegale. josh

LMAO so much for spellcheck.

SR20DET is illegal in the United States by law.

Let's see how long it takes before another ignorant person says it's not =P

 

curious. what makes you say its not illegal? and how do you know it'll pass w/ the cats?

 

ummmm sr20det is illegal... sr20de is not..

jneub.. please stop posting.. you don't even know what a ka is..

 

Ok how abt smog test in other states like GA? Is it gonna fail too?
In that case, that's really suck.I don't want this car to end up as off road only.

 

what about the infinity g20t? doesnt that have a sr20det? i'm not sure if someone can check that....probably a shitty usdm version?

 

^the infinity g20 has the sr20de