1) burning a gigantic hole in his pocket

No. I do not believe so.

2) sacrificing reliability.

The amount of reliabilty goes hand in hand with the amount you want to spend.


Now I have to honestly ask this: Why 450whp? And why a CA18 as the platform if your hp goals are so lofty?

 

You might as well go LS V-tech and get a little 88 CRX, youll go way faster than a 240 for the money. if your looking for 450+ in a 1.8L w/o burning a hole in your pocket and while retaining reliability, you better have some big god damn Nomex pockets. 450hp isn't exactly an acheivable "budget build" goal. more like 250 at the flywheel.. maybe?

 

i wanted to use the ca18 because its 1)cheaper 2)lighter 3)could be mounted lower and further back compared to every other engine. I guess 450whp might have been an over-shoot,i apologize. I just wanted a lower costing RWD car that could make decent power and can still handle like if it were on rails; but i guess you cant have it all. If any of you guys have some more feasible alternatives, please post. I figured that the light, rev happy CA18 would have been "the" engine for a grip-racing car. Should i go Sr20 instead? I've seen some sr20's making 450 horses on a stock bottom end.

 

its all driver

 

depending on where u are grip racing u might think about sticking n/a ka. even though the power level will be down. in some racing sanctions, swaps bump u into ridiculous classes with cars u'll never be able to run with.

 

the "its all driver" statement is completely ignorant. Although the driver plays one of the most important(if not the most important) role, you still need a potent vehicle if you ever expect to compete in something, and come close to winning. Who do you honestly think would win? A F1 professional driver driving a 1994 Camry making 100whp, or the average track rat who is driving a 500whp Evo?

I'm not a KA hater, trust me. I think KA-T builds offer the most bang for the buck, but i would prefer a lighter motor that is a little more rev happy for the type of driving that i am interested in.

 

a ka vs sr in weight is debating over 1-2% at most of a f/r weight distribution. Learn to setup a proper suspension, drop dead weight, and that argument is not only irrelavant but ignorant as well. Even if your making 500whp on a ca, you car will handle like shit if you can't learn to setup the car.

If you are serious about grip racing you should seriously talk to sr20goofus and read his complete build thread.

http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61822

And ps, in a race between a 16 year old with a 500whp evo w/ complete suspension and a professional circuit instructor with a 250-300whp s13 w/ complete suspension. I'd place every nickel to my name the instructor would win. Reason I say this is because I've seen it done before.... My neighbor's stock GT2 beating GT3 cup car's times at Road Atlanta, simply because the cup car owner's in the the regional "Porsche Club Racing" club have way too much money and not enough skill.

 

ive always wanted a little CA18 machine to fuck aroudn with.. but as far as grip racing, you could just go n/a ka, and go with suspension mods. the torque it provides stock will keep you going easy. if you swap CA you better lighten up that drivetrain of yours, it'll suck your torque like hooker from tijuana

 

in my earlier post that you just quoted mr.bojangles, i was comparing weight against a ka vs ca, not the Sr. I knew that the sr and ka's weight difference was negligible at best. Yes, you are very well correct that proper suspension tuning and dropping dead weight can yield an overall, more satisfying car but having a lighter engine which can be mounted in a slightly better position is not something to neglect. Yes, i was completely stupid to ask if i could ask if i could make a 450whp CA.

 

your an idiot. go compare weights before you start spewing off "zomg its smaller so its less weight" bullshit.

weight of a CA18det motor w/ turbo acc attatched = 282 lbs (no tranny). KA24de weighs in at 330, granted you dont have a turbo or manifold with that. SR20det weighs in at an est 295 from the sources i've read. you honestly think that the margin of the sr and ca is great enough to claim weight as your primary reason for a CA? the SR can be mounted equally as far back as the ca. Too be honest I think you want the CA because its cheap as shit and you are strung out for money and impatient, wanting to make big power is a pipe dream your trying to realize on a very limited budget.

Anywhoo, I'm not knocking the CA, just your logic. The ca is great and probably better for road racing than a SR due to the valvetrain alone. Thats not going to be enough though and like someone already said, pretty much anything other than a SR swap will be placing you in unlimited classes where you will be competing with race bred dedicated circuit cars.

 

Bojies play nice with the noobs.

 

trust me... that is nice... have you seen how i treated nubs before the summer? i think i've mellowed it out a bit.

 

After owning one the ca is not too responsive to mods. So it would probably take a big fat slow spooling turbo which is not ideal for your grip racing. I would think your goals are unattainable with the rules you listed.

 

your smoking crack.

 

mrbojangles, why are you getting defensive? Never once on this thread have i attacked you in any way. Besides, as i stated earlier, i was comparing weights between the KA and CA. The only time i brought up the SR in this thread was when i was asking if the SR was a more feasible powerplant for the goals that i had in mind. Does the 48 lb difference between the CA and KA really matter? In my honest opinion, yes it does. Thats why you see people strip their interior, replace their battery with a lighter one, etc. These small weight savings add up. Now dont get me wrong, I am NOT saying that just because i saved 48lbs on the front the car that proper suspension tuning wont be necessary. You don't even know me yet you call me "strung out and impatient". Yes, one reason(not the one that justifies my decision) why i chose the CA was because it was cheap. But who are you to say that you ALWAYS spend the top dollar on every part for your car. I think in some way are another, we all want to save some money. And for your information, I can afford a SR when the time comes for me to get one. As for being impatient, i dont believe my behavior in this thread(or forum) has conveyed me as an impatient person.

 

Honestly Assault. For an awesome grip vehicle using a ca, I would just put a gt2871r .64 on it with clutch and flywheel , fmic , fuel , exhaust and a tune and be done besides suspension.Probably only 250whp but will be responsive and could be competitive.

 

444 cc injectors, Greddy bov, hotpipe,fmic & piping, Greddy turbo outlet, trust 3" downpipe, test pipe, motoria 3" exhaust, Tubular exhaust manifold, gtir turbo, nismo afpr,
lsd, safc wideband tuned,tons of other stuff

 

Don't get me wrong it was fast (has a blown turbo now and I dont wanna fix I'd rather sell) it was great from a roll and i took out a few high 13 second/ low 14 second cars with it. But in retrospect, it was not what I was wanting.

 

thanks for the support and help uno, i appreciate the fact you did not flame me for asking if i could make 450whp out of a 1.8 liter engine. I was kind of asking for it though.

 

Oh you can make it out of a few 1.8 liter engines. This one is just harder than a couple of the others haha But bang for the buck 1.8 liter goes to the B18 series from honda in my opinion. Golf 1.8t is another good platform once you get rid of the stock crappy turbo.

 

yea, i've seen honda B18's hit as high as 600hp. Thats why i assumed it was possible for me to do that with a CA18.

 

Yeah I think it's possible but it will cost quite a bit of money. And something (i'm just guessing from what turbos I used to look at) like a gt42 along those lines. Unless they've came out with something different or somebody has gotten better numbers. I haven't looked at 240 stuff in about 2 years now.

 

i haven't looked at the flow charts but you don't think a GT3582R would do it justice? Granted thats another ex of a slow spooling turbo for a ca but its not quite as extreme or expensive as the 42.

 

I dunno if i've ever seen that turbo. So it might. But i'm pretty sure the 42 would. Iirc it'll make 500awhp on an evo 2.0 so it should make 450rwhp even though it's .2 less displacement since there isn't any awd loss. But who knows, I'll look up the turbo you posted later. Until then Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!

 

yeah the GT3582R made 640whp on my friends 2.0 evo xiii so....

 

turbonetics GT-K...I get a discount on them...muwhahah

 

I think I should be able to hit 450whp on a gt35r with proper fueling and a tune. Im guessing ill get full boost around 4.4 rpm and since the ca likes to spend its days above the 4k rpm than i think this setup would do fine.

 

rb20 with v tec and some k pro is what you need man.....rb20 v tec w k pro for the win:thumbsup

 

really??? no waiz dood, thats so jaaaayyyy ddeee emmm. hondaz vtak ftw
























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this is a funny thread!
and as far as puttin a ca18 in a s14 and wanting to make 450, love the idea, but i mean seriously, the sr's weight is not that much more, and your gonna see 450 a lot sooner, cheaper and more reliably. plus i could only imagine what turbo you would have to use, AND the spool up.
but then again i dont know ca's.

any way... faking death, give me a gt-k i NEED it. haha, there just so sexy!