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#22 ·
I kid y'all not, that image in the wikipedia article is what made up the majority of my dorm's dumpster 2 days after I got back from England.

Except it was a few beer bottles instead of a Gatorade bottle.
 
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You guys are guilty just as I was, you hope for best case scenario. You will NEVER find an SE-R in a salvage yard or being parted out. I cant even find a 240, let alone an se-r. ALSO I cant spend much money because they have a car claim rule. Any competitor can claim someone elses car for like $1000. Most tracks have this rule. If I were to dump $2,000 into the car someone else can claim it just for a profit and part it out. :( Kinda sucks but its a rule meant to keep the costs down so people wont be so inclined to cheat to get more HP with head work and rebuilt blocks.

There are a few sentras running at this track but they run middle of the pack. They really dont handle well at all and they have skinny tires. W/out strut replacement I heard you can only fit like a 195 series tire on them. Im not saying they cant be made to do better but on stock suspension all around it makes it pretty tough on any sentra. Thats why RWD is such a benefit, it makes up for traction and cornering when the FWD cars must use stock suspension.
 
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mrbojangles said:
i know... and a 240 stripped will be lighter than a sentra... so same comment goes to your suggestion
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I claim bull. How would a b13 sentra be lighter than a s13? The sentra starts off lighter from the get-go and still has useless junk to be removed. So far by some quick searches the sentra weighs anywhere from 2400-2500 lbs. So you're telling me that a car that starts off about 200-300 lbs heavier will eventually be lighter? :gaylaugh

If you claim cutting crap and shit like on that one race car, then well the same goes for the sentra. The shit that puts the 240 in a porky situation is the KA being such a heavy ass engine. Post some #s to back up what your saying please.


Nice little article I found:

http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/new/reviews/wk9337.html
 
#28 ·
I raced a S12 3 years before I built the 240. The S12 is good but not enough lighter to make up for 32 less hp. On asphault the fwds main disadvantage is the right front tire is doing too much, steering and transmiting the power to the ground, the right front becomes overheated, loses grip. I checked my tires with a tire pyrometer after a pratice or race and sometimes my rf tire is only 10-15 deg hotter than the other tires, most fwds are lucky if they can keep it down to 50 degrees difference.
 
#29 ·
Fwao said:
:rotflmao:rotflmaoCut off your legs, ears, and if you find an auto tranny lighter than your manual, and if your a good enough driver, one of your arms:rotflmao:rotflmao
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Dude, this is the tech section... none of that bullcrap here. :nono

lol check me out with the non-post whore attitude.


I raced a S12 3 years before I built the 240. The S12 is good but not enough lighter to make up for 32 less hp. On asphault the fwds main disadvantage is the right front tire is doing too much, steering and transmiting the power to the ground, the right front becomes overheated, loses grip. I checked my tires with a tire pyrometer after a pratice or race and sometimes my rf tire is only 10-15 deg hotter than the other tires, most fwds are lucky if they can keep it down to 50 degrees difference.
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Yeah, he mentioned how he'd feel the rwd platform would/could prove to be a contender. I just put the B13 out there because of it's proven track record. I've been told on many occasions that the SE-R Cup Series get dominated by the little b13 buggers. The B13 SE-R can pull a high 15 1/4 mile and 0-60 mph in the high 7 range. Very competitive with the 240SX especially for having about 30 lbs/ft less torque too.
 
#30 ·
I'm trying to think of a good fwd to build myself. Most of the tracks in my area are now FWDs only and won't even allow me to race. Most of them started out open to both, most of them give all kinds of excuses why they changed, but I think it's easy to figure out the real reason. I've been racing in this class since 1999, i've come in 2nd twice in someone else FWD, but my cars with me and sometimes someone else driving has won 27 races, that was 9 in a S12, and 18 in a S13. This was in a class that when you won one week the next week you start at the rear, at one track they made me add weight to 22lbs per HP, 3080 lbs, I was the heaviest car by almost 200 lbs but I still dominated. This was at Lonesome Pine Raceway, in Coeburn, Va in 2003-04.That track is now closed, and now I have to beg tracks to let me come race.
 
#31 ·
isurfebay said:
cut off your legs - hand controls

why do you need a sub 2000 lb car anyways?
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he started it!!!!:dancingco
+ I already did good on my part posting the first pics of the DSG 240 along with other useful information:ramble
although i did leave out that cutting your legs would require the installation of hand controls just to clear things up:thumbsup
 
Discussion starter · #32 ·
First off, you girls talk way too much trash! lol Im not going to use an SE-R because I'd have to pay WAY too much to get a car. Remebmer this is on a very low budget. Its hard to find these cars laying around in the right condition.

And I dont have to have a sub 2000 lb car. But the competition is fast because they are extremely light with just as much power. Shockingly the most wins come from the old generation Escort GT's with the 1.9L (CLEARLY CHEATERS!). The neons are especially fast because I know most of them are down to 1780 lbs with the drivers using the DOHC engine with 150hp/150trq. Thats tough to beat down the straights even if you do match his power! So Tom, look into the dohc neon for fwd. Loaded they come around 2450 lbs and have a some gearing options as well.

I think if I get a 240 2.4 dohc down to 2200 lbs I would be very competitive based on handling and more options with tire sizes. Most fwd cars cant do much with gearing because they can only fit a 195mm tire on the fronts w/out rubbing struts. Where as I could run some nice 7-7.5" wide tires on the back. Common sense tells you RWD would dominate FWD on a banked dirt track. You dont see any super late model FWD cars heh.
 
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Turbo6PGT said:
First off, you girls talk way too much trash! lol Im not going to use an SE-R because I'd have to pay WAY too much to get a car. Remebmer this is on a very low budget. Its hard to find these cars laying around in the right condition.

And I dont have to have a sub 2000 lb car. But the competition is fast because they are extremely light with just as much power. Shockingly the most wins come from the old generation Escort GT's with the 1.9L (CLEARLY CHEATERS!). The neons are especially fast because I know most of them are down to 1780 lbs with the drivers using the DOHC engine with 150hp/150trq. Thats tough to beat down the straights even if you do match his power! So Tom, look into the dohc neon for fwd. Loaded they come around 2450 lbs and have a some gearing options as well.

I think if I get a 240 2.4 dohc down to 2200 lbs I would be very competitive based on handling and more options with tire sizes. Most fwd cars cant do much with gearing because they can only fit a 195mm tire on the fronts w/out rubbing struts. Where as I could run some nice 7-7.5" wide tires on the back. Common sense tells you RWD would dominate FWD on a banked dirt track. You dont see any super late model FWD cars heh.
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those old escorts win becuase they weigh nothing and they are uber reliable. and 1780 WITH DRIVER>..where did you get these facts from? and anyways miata is wayyy better for this, go with that.
 
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As loasman said, no vert's or 2-seaters. I got the weight statistics from the drivers. I did some recon work on the neon forums to find out if these cats were cheating or not. I did get theme to spill the beans on some stuff like handling tricks, tire sizes and how heavy they run. Its amazing what playing dumb can get you. :)
 
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You guys who haven't raced give way too much credit to HP, good handling is much more a factor than you could realize, even more so on dirt. It's got to be the right combination of power, handling and DRIVER. I skunk the Neons on asphault. The Hondas with their engines on the left are the best, i've been thinking along the lines of a fwd Subaru, low engine, less weight transfer, plus I hate belly-button cars.
 
#37 ·
fgood friend of mine has a b13, he paid $1,900 for it, and it came with a gredddy trust exhaust, and headers... his sentra is pretty quick. im trying to get him to take it to a track and let me drive it :) but they are hard to find compared to a s13, well atleast here in detroit it is...

i dunno jsu wanted to add that lol :p
 
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